Is the job market and the USA economy good?

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As I was going around the house today, doing my usual Sunday morning routine of cleaning the house while listening to political-ish podcasts and I was reminded of a thread I started a while ago asking for references for certain perspectives from the Right. It's very common on the Left for folks to look at Trump voters or the Right more broadly and wonder "Why?". Why do people on the Right believe what they believe, why to they vote for the people they vote for, etc. And then these folks write op-eds and blog posts and books about what they've discovered. There's a bunch of skepticism within these questions and, to be fair, more condescension than I'm comfortable with, but there is still a lot of genuine curiosity about something that these folks don't understand.

You may recall the thread since you participated in it, but to recap: I asked in this thread if there were folks on the Right asking similar questions about the Left. I couldn't recall having heard of any, but I assumed that some existed and that the folks here would be able to drop a couple names. It was a sincere question and I was willing to entertain answers. However, not only did nobody have any real suggestions (one person tried, but their suggestion fell well short of the mark), multiple people struggled with the question and a few openly derided the very concept. One (in a since-edited comment) even equated Dems with the devil.

If the Right is as incurious as that thread suggested, then yes, your side will be the one dominated by nonsense. Your side will be the one abandoned by the curious and the knowledgable. If not one person on the Right read that thread and said, "I don't know of any, but would like to find some," then that's a problem. I've been in groups in the past where I was surrounded by people who thought they knew everything and that all of the outsiders were stupid, and I was embarrassed by it. Why aren't you embarrassed by it?
You seem to be going by a particular podcast regarding this. So it seems that all you've really ascertained is that a handful of people don't listen to a similar podcast about the left.
 
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As I was going around the house today, doing my usual Sunday morning routine of cleaning the house while listening to political-ish podcasts and I was reminded of a thread I started a while ago asking for references for certain perspectives from the Right. It's very common on the Left for folks to look at Trump voters or the Right more broadly and wonder "Why?". Why do people on the Right believe what they believe, why to they vote for the people they vote for, etc. And then these folks write op-eds and blog posts and books about what they've discovered. There's a bunch of skepticism within these questions and, to be fair, more condescension than I'm comfortable with, but there is still a lot of genuine curiosity about something that these folks don't understand.

You may recall the thread since you participated in it, but to recap: I asked in this thread if there were folks on the Right asking similar questions about the Left. I couldn't recall having heard of any, but I assumed that some existed and that the folks here would be able to drop a couple names. It was a sincere question and I was willing to entertain answers. However, not only did nobody have any real suggestions (one person tried, but their suggestion fell well short of the mark), multiple people struggled with the question and a few openly derided the very concept. One (in a since-edited comment) even equated Dems with the devil.

If the Right is as incurious as that thread suggested, then yes, your side will be the one dominated by nonsense. Your side will be the one abandoned by the curious and the knowledgable. If not one person on the Right read that thread and said, "I don't know of any, but would like to find some," then that's a problem. I've been in groups in the past where I was surrounded by people who thought they knew everything and that all of the outsiders were stupid, and I was embarrassed by it. Why aren't you embarrassed by it?
Why aren’t you embarrassed that people on the left can’t admit that Biden is in cognitive decline and he is spending money faster than they can print it?
 
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Why aren’t you embarrassed that people on the left can’t admit that Biden is in cognitive decline

Because plenty of people admit it.

and he is spending money faster than they can print it?
Because that isn’t really true, either. If you chart federal spending as a percentage of GDP for the last ~90 years, it broadly follows a curve that grows and approaches ~25%. We’re not outside the bounds of that long term curve.

 
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You seem to be going by a particular podcast regarding this. So it seems that all you've really ascertained is that a handful of people don't listen to a similar podcast about the left.
You failed to understand my point entirely.
 
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Because plenty of people admit it.


Because that isn’t really true, either. If you chart federal spending as a percentage of GDP for the last ~90 years, it broadly follows a curve that grows and approaches ~25%. We’re not outside the bounds of that long term curve.

I don’t know who those people on the left are that admit it, must not be many
 
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As I was going around the house today, doing my usual Sunday morning routine of cleaning the house while listening to political-ish podcasts and I was reminded of a thread I started a while ago asking for references for certain perspectives from the Right. It's very common on the Left for folks to look at Trump voters or the Right more broadly and wonder "Why?". Why do people on the Right believe what they believe, why to they vote for the people they vote for, etc. And then these folks write op-eds and blog posts and books about what they've discovered. There's a bunch of skepticism within these questions and, to be fair, more condescension than I'm comfortable with, but there is still a lot of genuine curiosity about something that these folks don't understand.

You may recall the thread since you participated in it, but to recap: I asked in this thread if there were folks on the Right asking similar questions about the Left. I couldn't recall having heard of any, but I assumed that some existed and that the folks here would be able to drop a couple names. It was a sincere question and I was willing to entertain answers. However, not only did nobody have any real suggestions (one person tried, but their suggestion fell well short of the mark), multiple people struggled with the question and a few openly derided the very concept. One (in a since-edited comment) even equated Dems with the devil.

If the Right is as incurious as that thread suggested, then yes, your side will be the one dominated by nonsense. Your side will be the one abandoned by the curious and the knowledgable. If not one person on the Right read that thread and said, "I don't know of any, but would like to find some," then that's a problem. I've been in groups in the past where I was surrounded by people who thought they knew everything and that all of the outsiders were stupid, and I was embarrassed by it. Why aren't you embarrassed by it?
To be clear, you are asking those in the right in today's politics why they are embarrassed by their attitudes or positions?

I believe there has been very little embarrassment on the right since at least January 1st, 2016; June 16, 2015 is probably a better date of note.
 
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To be clear, you are asking those in the right in today's politics why they are embarrassed by their attitudes or positions?
More specifically, I'm asking why they aren't embarrassed by the know-it-all attitude and the lack of curiosity.

I've been in professional situations where a lot of my colleagues had similar attitudes about competitors (about subjects entirely unrelated to politics) and it's super cringey. I usually just write off people like that as too dumb to bother with.
 
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Why aren’t you embarrassed that people on the left can’t admit that Biden is in cognitive decline
There is no evidence of that.
and he is spending money faster than they can print it?
Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
 
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More specifically, I'm asking why they aren't embarrassed by the know-it-all attitude and the lack of curiosity.

I've been in professional situations where a lot of my colleagues had similar attitudes about competitors (about subjects entirely unrelated to politics) and it's super cringey. I usually just write off people like that as too dumb to bother with.
So who on the left is asking "why do those on the right think the way they do?". You asked for a couple of names to be dropped regarding the reverse of that, but I don't see where you yourself dropped any names. So what well known people on the left are expressing curiosity about the right?
 
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You failed to understand my point entirely.
I believe I understand what your point is, but it seems that you're basing it on a podcast and CF posts.
 
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