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Recent content by Ignatius the Kiwi

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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    Was Jesus the legal owner of the Temple or were the Jewish authorities? Didn't Rome have sovereignty over the temple to restrict movement within? Was Jesus within his rights to clear out the temple of the money changers when it appears that the powers at be had allowed them the liberty to be...
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    The government and temple authorities obviously allowed the money changers to be there and have the freedom to sell and exchange wares. Why did Jesus have the right to impose his zealousness on them against the freedom granted to them by the government and authorities?
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    He cleansed the temple for the sake of God. He imposed his religious values on others despite them having every right to be there as far as I can see. I also agree the values are not the same but they are contradictory. You uphold the freedom of religion and commerce right? Is what Jesus did in...
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    But he should have rightly been arrested for assaulting their liberty to be at the temple right? Jesus's zealousness at them profaning the temple is not as important as their individual liberty to be there selling their wares right? Our Lord was in the wrong to do what he did per your...
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    I am sure what Jesus believed and it wasnt secular enlightenment. You can't seem to distinguish Christ from that school of thought at all, going as far as to say he inspired the enlightenment. Then when I give an instance of Jesus going against your enlightenment values you deflect. Do you...
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    So your Jesus valued individual freedom above all other things? Why didn't Jesus value the freedom of the money changers then?
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    I know the difference but I am concerned that you don't. You seem to view the constitution as some sort of divine revelation. Was Jesus right to threaten and coerce the money changers with threats of violence because of his zeal for God? I can't imagine as a believer of the US constitution you...
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    So you cannot explain the difference between Jesus's teachings and the enlightenment? I could think of one difference. Enlightenment and liberal secularism respects all religions as equal and prohibits violence or coercion against them. Our Lord used said force against those he thought were...
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    Can you elaborate the differences between Enlightenment thought and Christianity? Also what the Enlightenment philosophers took from Jesus?
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    So Jesus's teachings are indistinguishable from liberalism and the enlightenment more broadly?
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    Is it your contention Jesus was the first teacher of the enlightenment?
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    American patriotism is plummeting, and it makes no sense

    Why should Christians be patriotic for an Empire which deliberately undermines our principles and exports morality which is contrary to the faith? This is a good thing at least as far as Christians are concerned
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    Jesus was not an enlightenment scholar. We are not taught by Christ that our principles are inferior to secular enlightenment principles. As much as you might believe in the superiority of secular thought.
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    What if Jefferson and Madison had AI?

    Christian morality > Enlightenment morality
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    Church discipline no longer practiced in most Protestant churches: Survey

    I am simply wanting to know the limits. Do you think shaming others is something the Church should not do ever? Or are there times where members can be publically shamed such as the case of the Corinthian man? Shame, making others feel bad for their sin, is not necessarily wrong. It is often a...
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