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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    John 17 is one of the most profound chapters in the Bible. It shows us Jesus praying in the Garden of Gethsemane before His arrest. Let me point out some of the verses that you overlook. Jn. 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    I mention L.S. Chafer, one of the most influential Dispensationalists of the 20th Century and you say you “don’t know the guy.” Really? When I mention Augustine, many Protestants say, “I don’t care what he thinks!” Yet the theology they were taught, and believe, largely goes back to Augustine...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking, you rejected my quote from the respected and influential Dispensationalist L. S. Chafer out of hand. Several times you have mentioned that you admire the Dispensationalist Thomas Ice, who received a Master’s degree from Dallas Theological Seminary. It so happens that Chafer founded...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking: “Verses 7-8 are throw away verses, meaning they do not really pertain to the overall thrust of the passage …” Matthew 24:7-8 are “throw away verses”? You show an alarming lack of respect for the scripture.
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking, you are claiming that all of the “thief in the night” verses refer to the “rapture,” but cannot refer to the Second Coming. You believe that the time period between the “rapture” and the Second Coming is known, so the timing of the latter won’t be a secret. L.S. Chafer, a...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking: “ Then in verses 36 on he tells about the Pre Trib. Rapture, no man know the day nor the hour, it will be as in the days of Noah where they were buying and selling and oblivious unto what was soon to come, then the rain came............BOOM..........if it was the 2nd coming as you...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    I agree. God does not have to change His plans. There are passages in the Old Testament that foretell the coming of the Church.
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking: “Also, when it says one will be TAKEN and one will be LEFT, that is the Church.” Dispensationalists have “taken” and “left” in Matthew 24 completely BACKWARDS. Consider what the famous historical commentator John Gill, a Baptist, says in his commentary on the Bible. Two men will...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Where did the doctrine of a “rapture” separate from the Second Coming come from? The following is from the Routledge Encyclopedia of Protestantism. This can be downloaded. From the article on Darby, John Nelson (1800–1882): “Darby’s major innovation is the DOCTRINE of the secret RAPTURE of...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking, I assume that you are a Protestant. Do you realize that neither Martin Luther nor John Calvin, nor any other Protestant reformer believed in a rapture? Or ever heard of the idea, for that matter? No, it is not obvious from the Bible. Since I have John Calvin’ Institutes of Christian...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Fisherking: << Jesus can only "surprise" like a late night thief, via a pre trib rapture, the 2nd coming will be a known time, ala 1260 days after the Beast Conquers Israel … >> [Jesus tells us:] Mt. 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    One of the thief verses I quoted in post #2: Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety”, destruction will come on them suddenly, as labour...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    BelieveIt: << I'll say this about Jesus, like a thief. Who is Jesus stealing from? THE DEVIL, the owner of people in the flesh, the blinder of all who can not see or perceive Him. These will all be swiped right out from under the devil's nose and the devil(s) don't know the day, hour, or...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Here is another passage from an OT prophet that tells us how God protects His people from Divine judgment. In Ezekiel 8,9 and 10, Ezekiel receives a vision from God, or at least a very high angel. Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, “Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon...
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    Thief Verses Disprove Rapture

    Johan, I don’t see how you reach your conclusions on Rapture. Take a look at this passage in Isaiah. But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. Go, my...
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