Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) or Keep the faith until the end?

[Romans 8]

When I became a born again Christian over 5 years ago, I loved coming to this forum to learn about the Bible. The topic of OSAS was the topic which significantly held my interest. I went back and forth on the issue, and I really wanted to believe OSAS is true, for peace of mind. Thing is, I could never get peace in letting this doctrine settle,and I believe it's for this reason: OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell. Without posting every verse in the Bible which supports my belief, I will post this one: Matthew 24:13 says: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
If you believe in the doctrine of OSAS, I beg you to reconsider. By negating OSAS you do not automatically get pigeonholed as one who subscribes to "Lordship Salvation", as this is also a false doctrine. However, you will see that maintaining your relationship (abiding in Christ) is necessary for Christians in order to finish the race. You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy. Do not be fooled nor lazy about your relationship with God. While it's not a religion, it is a relationship, albeit your most important one and it's so easy to drop the ball in this Laodecian church age we find ourselves. Renew your relationship with God every morning and read His Word everyday. I want all of us to make it and not take our relationship with Him for granted. That means NO deliberate sin, as continual deliberate sinning puts Jesus back on the cross and there is no sacrifice left for us...

Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

Of course we aren't perfect and the Bible tells us that if we say we don't sin, we are liars. However, there's a difference between slipping up, and repenting, and living in sin and, "Oops, Jesus forgive me, Oops, I did it again Jesus, Oops, oops, oops",all in the span of a day or a few days or weeks.

There's a difference between a Christian and a disciple and Jesus want us to be the latter. God bless brothers and sisters, finish the race and will see you in heaven soon!

 

[Clare73]

When I became a born again Christian over 5 years ago, I loved coming to this forum to learn about the Bible. The topic of OSAS was the topic which significantly held my interest. I went back and forth on the issue, and I really wanted to believe OSAS is true, for peace of mind. Thing is, I could never get peace in letting this doctrine settle,and I believe it's for this reason: OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell. Without posting every verse in the Bible which supports my belief, I will post this one: Matthew 24:13 says: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."

If you believe in the doctrine of OSAS, I beg you to reconsider. By negating OSAS you do not automatically get pigeonholed as one who subscribes to "Lordship Salvation", as this is also a false doctrine. However, you will see that maintaining your relationship (abiding in Christ) is necessary for Christians in order to finish the race. You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy.

Not according to the NT:

Jn 6:37 - All that the Father gives to me will come to me.

Jn 6:39 - I shall lose none of all that the Father has given me.

Jn 10:28 - My sheep listen to my voice. . .shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of my hand.

1 Pe 1:4-5 - The born again have true faith and are kept by the power of God.

Mt 7:22-23 - Only counterfeit faith apostasizes.

Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

An example of counterfeit faith.

 

[d taylor]

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Eternal Life is eternal life or it would not be called eternal life, if a believer can lose eternal life.

 

[B Griffin]

When I became a born again Christian over 5 years ago, I loved coming to this forum to learn about the Bible. The topic of OSAS was the topic which significantly held my interest. I went back and forth on the issue, and I really wanted to believe OSAS is true, for peace of mind. Thing is, I could never get peace in letting this doctrine settle,and I believe it's for this reason: OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell.

So, it's important to not put one's full confidence in Christ because it is a trick to make us lazy and may send us to hell?

Without posting every verse in the Bible which supports my belief, I will post this one: Matthew 24:13 says: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
If you believe in the doctrine of OSAS, I beg you to reconsider. By negating OSAS you do not automatically get pigeonholed as one who subscribes to "Lordship Salvation", as this is also a false doctrine. However, you will see that maintaining your relationship (abiding in Christ) is necessary for Christians in order to finish the race. You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy.

You are right that the opposite of trusting Christ for the forgiveness of sins is to work hard to keep the relationship going.

Do not be fooled nor lazy about your relationship with God. While it's not a religion, it is a relationship, albeit your most important one and it's so easy to drop the ball in this Laodecian church age we find ourselves. Renew your relationship with God every morning and read His Word everyday. I want all of us to make it and not take our relationship with Him for granted.

Hebrews 12 tells us plainly that God corrects His children when they go astray and strongly imples that He continues doing it until His correction yields the result He intends. If He's our Father, we do not need to worry about waking up one day a million miles away from Him, not knowing how we got there. If He isn't inside a person's heart keeping them in His will, then no amount of quiet time or Bible study will make up for it.

That means NO deliberate sin, as continual deliberate sinning puts Jesus back on the cross and there is no sacrifice left for us...

Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

Of course we aren't perfect and the Bible tells us that if we say we don't sin, we are liars. However, there's a difference between slipping up, and repenting, and living in sin and, "Oops, Jesus forgive me, Oops, I did it again Jesus, Oops, oops, oops",all in the span of a day or a few days or weeks.

Let's be honest about deliberate sins. Every person on the planet commits deliberate sins. How do I know? Answer: 1 Corinthians 10:13...

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it (1 Co 10:13).​

God allows only temptations we are able to resist, and with every temptation God provides a way of escape. That means every time a person gives into temptation, it was because he chose to not take the way out that God provided.

But I do see why people want to make room for their frequent (and repeated) sins not counting against them... because they don't want to lose their salvation.

There's a difference between a Christian and a disciple and Jesus want us to be the latter. God bless brothers and sisters, finish the race and will see you in heaven soon!

No, there's not a difference...

And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch (Ac 11:26).​

 

[Romans 8]

Clare, the Bible is full of verses that one can use as evidence to "prove", OSAS or to "prove" finishing the race and abiding in Christ albeit, neither belief should matter if one abides in Christ. However, I firmly believe that one of these beliefs WILL lead many to hell. And so Clare, before you get too comfortable with the world and your flesh, pick up your Bible and read it daily. Pray to God every morning, day and night that He will complete His work in you. Ask Him to do His will in your life, not your will which is tainted by your flesh. Persevere Clare, I believe we're nearing the end. God bless you sister and I hope to see you in heaven and for eternity.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

When I became a born again Christian over 5 years ago, I loved coming to this forum to learn about the Bible. The topic of OSAS was the topic which significantly held my interest. I went back and forth on the issue, and I really wanted to believe OSAS is true, for peace of mind. Thing is, I could never get peace in letting this doctrine settle,and I believe it's for this reason: OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell. Without posting every verse in the Bible which supports my belief, I will post this one: Matthew 24:13 says: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
If you believe in the doctrine of OSAS, I beg you to reconsider. By negating OSAS you do not automatically get pigeonholed as one who subscribes to "Lordship Salvation", as this is also a false doctrine. However, you will see that maintaining your relationship (abiding in Christ) is necessary for Christians in order to finish the race. You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy. Do not be fooled nor lazy about your relationship with God. While it's not a religion, it is a relationship, albeit your most important one and it's so easy to drop the ball in this Laodecian church age we find ourselves. Renew your relationship with God every morning and read His Word everyday. I want all of us to make it and not take our relationship with Him for granted. That means NO deliberate sin, as continual deliberate sinning puts Jesus back on the cross and there is no sacrifice left for us...

Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

Of course we aren't perfect and the Bible tells us that if we say we don't sin, we are liars. However, there's a difference between slipping up, and repenting, and living in sin and, "Oops, Jesus forgive me, Oops, I did it again Jesus, Oops, oops, oops",all in the span of a day or a few days or weeks.

There's a difference between a Christian and a disciple and Jesus want us to be the latter. God bless brothers and sisters, finish the race and will see you in heaven soon!

By saying salvation can be lost, you are saying Christ has not done enough for you on the cross. You are saying that His sacrifice was not enough, and you are trying to add your deeds to the cross. It is not different than all the other false religions teach.

I personally know Christians, who are OSAS yet they gave up everything just to reach sinners from other parts of the world. They had nothing, yet gained many. Others who went to plant Churches in places where they were none.

They walked and walk a narrow way full of difficulties and persecution, life full of sacrifices. And yet they never boast about themselves, and always credit God. Which one of them is lazy?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy.

Based on what? A Christian is someone who Jesus said 'I paid for your sins, you are forgiven'.

God cannot judge His people in any way because His people have already been judged in Jesus. When Christ drank the cup of God’s wrath He drank it to the dregs. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus and that means on the final day and every day until then. God is never judging you for your sin if you are in Christ.

Don't rely yourself for salvation. Rely on God alone.

 

[Romans 8]

By saying salvation can be lost, you are saying Christ has not done enough for you on the cross. You are saying that His sacrifice was not enough, and you are trying to add your deeds to the cross. It is not different than all the other false religions teach.

I personally know Christians, who are OSAS yet they gave up everything just to reach sinners from other parts of the world. They had nothing, yet gained many. Others who went to plant Churches in places where they were none.

They walked and walk a narrow way full of difficulties and persecution, life full of sacrifices. And yet they never boast about themselves, and always credit God. Which one of them is lazy?

Wrong Ivan, I said none of those things. But listen Ivan; Christ has made a way for you if you finish the race. You must die or be raptured to receive salvation and if you're typing on a keyboard then you're neither. Keep running Ivan.

 

[Romans 8]

There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus

Thank you for agreeing with me Ivan. I rest my case.

 

[Joseph G]

When I became a born again Christian over 5 years ago, I loved coming to this forum to learn about the Bible. The topic of OSAS was the topic which significantly held my interest. I went back and forth on the issue, and I really wanted to believe OSAS is true, for peace of mind. Thing is, I could never get peace in letting this doctrine settle,and I believe it's for this reason: OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell. Without posting every verse in the Bible which supports my belief, I will post this one: Matthew 24:13 says: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
If you believe in the doctrine of OSAS, I beg you to reconsider. By negating OSAS you do not automatically get pigeonholed as one who subscribes to "Lordship Salvation", as this is also a false doctrine. However, you will see that maintaining your relationship (abiding in Christ) is necessary for Christians in order to finish the race. You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy. Do not be fooled nor lazy about your relationship with God. While it's not a religion, it is a relationship, albeit your most important one and it's so easy to drop the ball in this Laodecian church age we find ourselves. Renew your relationship with God every morning and read His Word everyday. I want all of us to make it and not take our relationship with Him for granted. That means NO deliberate sin, as continual deliberate sinning puts Jesus back on the cross and there is no sacrifice left for us...

Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

Of course we aren't perfect and the Bible tells us that if we say we don't sin, we are liars. However, there's a difference between slipping up, and repenting, and living in sin and, "Oops, Jesus forgive me, Oops, I did it again Jesus, Oops, oops, oops",all in the span of a day or a few days or weeks.

There's a difference between a Christian and a disciple and Jesus want us to be the latter. God bless brothers and sisters, finish the race and will see you in heaven soon!

"OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell."

You don't fellowship with many Christians who are confident about their eternal security much, do you? If you did, you would recognize that our JOY and HOPE in Jesus are bearing much fruit for the Kingdom Of God - fruit that remains - just like Jesus promised.

Romans 8 fan, huh? Me, too. Suggestion... drop the endless theological hand-wringing inspired by those ever abundant "biblical scholars" and just ask yourself if Romans 8:16 is true for you?

Well?

You can search the Scriptures far and wide for eternal life but will remain repeatedly vexed if you cannot hear His voice telling you that you are His child. I know! That is Jesus' whole point. He is a Person, ergo... personal relationship required.

If you do hear His voice, relax, and have some peace, man. And spread that JOY I'm talking about.

Win the struggle by laying aside whatever Scriptures are upsetting you, and seriously weigh them against the plethora of covenant promises found in the following link. ASK the Holy Spirit DIRECTLY if they apply to you, in faith that He will, and He will assuredly convince you - in His time and in His way.

If Scriptures do not seem to harmonize in our minds, we trust that they do in His Mind. We do not, nor cannot, wait till we understand all before we choose to walk in victory. Revelation will come in proportion to our experiences walking with Him and hearing Him - and SERVING Him. Regularly take our noses out of the Book and be DOERS.

Can you hear the voice of the Author of Scripture speaking to your spirit - through His Word and through His Creation?

When all of the Scriptures are weighed, we who are saved are saved for one reason and one reason only - because God has the last Word:

Romans 9:15 NIV

"For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

133 New Testament Eternal Security Verses - from the Covenant Keeper Himself:

Eternal Security Scriptures

Below is a list of every scripture guaranteeing the eternal security of the believer. This list is a work-in-progress. Feel free to submit scriptures we’ve missed. – Old Testament (n = 9) &#8…

escapetoreality.org

God is sovereign. We are saved by His grace, we are sustained by His grace. Mic drop...

Jesus came to set the captives free! Re-read Romans 8 whenever you need reminding of who GOD says you are!

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Nothing can separate you from the love of God?

Mocking God'a word much?

Romans 8 and yet you do not even understand the chapter. Those who are in Christ will never be separated from the love of God.

We are placed into Christ, and therefore we become heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, as we read in Romans 8. This is the great doctrine of adoption; and we looked at it in some detail last time.

“The Father loves the Son,” John 3:35. And He loves those who are in the Son because they are one with the Son. This is the marvelous reality of salvation. “Behold, what manner of love the Father has, that He has made us” – 1 John 3:1 – “children of God.” He loves us enough not only to do the negative, save us from our sins, but do the positive: adopt us into His own family, into His one eternal Son, to share His full inheritance.

God’s astounding love is the cause, the motive, the drive behind our adoption. He loves the Son, He places us in the Son, and He loves us the way He loves the Son. We see that laid out so magnificently in the seventeenth chapter of John, where our Lord prays and binds those for whom He prays, all believers together with Himself and with the Father, in this bond of love. We are loved by the Father because Christ is loved. We are blessed by the Father because Christ is blessed. We inherit all that Christ inherits because we are in Christ.

This is how we are to understand our adoption. We have been placed into His true Son, and therefore are heirs of everything God possesses. This is adoption. God graciously places justified, regenerated, sanctified believers into His own family by placing into union with His beloved Son, so that in Him they become sons of God.

When you were justified, when you were converted, when you were saved, you were sealed with the Spirit of promise. The Spirit of promise took up residence in your heart; that is what that verse is saying. The Spirit was given to you as a pledge of our inheritance, which is coming later at the redemption of our bodies when we enter into the presence of the Lord.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Wrong Ivan, I said none of those things. But listen Ivan; Christ has made a way for you if you finish the race. You must die or be raptured to receive salvation and if you're typing on a keyboard then you're neither. Keep running Ivan.

Christ has purchased me, redeemed me, reconciled to God on the cross. It is finished.

We are the bride of Christ. And what does a bride do? Tells eveyone about her love who she will marry. She grows in love and obedience. This is the life of a Christian.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Clare, the Bible is full of verses that one can use as evidence to "prove", OSAS or to "prove" finishing the race and abiding in Christ albeit, neither belief should matter if one abides in Christ. However, I firmly believe that one of these beliefs WILL lead many to hell. And so Clare, before you get too comfortable with the world and your flesh, pick up your Bible and read it daily. Pray to God every morning, day and night that He will complete His work in you. Ask Him to do His will in your life, not your will which is tainted by your flesh. Persevere Clare, I believe we're nearing the end. God bless you sister and I hope to see you in heaven and for eternity.

No not really, not when you take the teachings of all scripture and compile it all together. For example I can post 2 Timothy 2:12 and every single person in this thread can’t interpret it to support eternal security without ignoring the context of the verse. However I can interpret every single verse they present without any contradiction at all. I know this because I’ve done it with everyone in this thread. When Paul wrote “if we deny Him, He will deny us” that pretty much put an end to the debate. The problem is they just refuse to admit it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

By saying salvation can be lost, you are saying Christ has not done enough for you on the cross. You are saying that His sacrifice was not enough, and you are trying to add your deeds to the cross. It is not different than all the other false religions teach.

I personally know Christians, who are OSAS yet they gave up everything just to reach sinners from other parts of the world. They had nothing, yet gained many. Others who went to plant Churches in places where they were none.

They walked and walk a narrow way full of difficulties and persecution, life full of sacrifices. And yet they never boast about themselves, and always credit God. Which one of them is lazy?

Oh hey Ivan, did you give up on the last thread? I was really hoping to hear you explain again how those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit can’t lose their inheritance in response to my quote from Ephesians 4:30 to Ephesians 5:6.

“Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭30‬-‭32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

You never responded to this.

 

[BNR32FAN]

By saying salvation can be lost, you are saying Christ has not done enough for you on the cross. You are saying that His sacrifice was not enough, and you are trying to add your deeds to the cross. It is not different than all the other false religions teach.

No that’s just a false accusation conjured up by your own imagination. “If we deny Him, He will deny us” Those are Paul’s words. “Anyone who denies Me before men I will deny before My Father in heaven”. Those are Christ’s words. So it’s not that Christ hasn’t done enough, it’s that He specifically said what He will do to those who turn away from Him and Paul said that both he and Timothy were capable of denying Christ. So in reality it’s just what Jesus and Paul taught. Truth remains truth regardless of whether we like it, whether we believe it, or whether we admit it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Based on what? A Christian is someone who Jesus said 'I paid for your sins, you are forgiven'.

God cannot judge His people in any way because His people have already been judged in Jesus. When Christ drank the cup of God’s wrath He drank it to the dregs. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus and that means on the final day and every day until then. God is never judging you for your sin if you are in Christ.

Don't rely yourself for salvation. Rely on God alone.

Based on 2 Timothy 2:12. Unless you think Paul and Timothy weren’t born again.

 

[Maori Aussie]

1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

 

[B Griffin]

I don't understand your point here maybe you ought to spare the sarcasm.

It's not sarcasm. The point is that trusting in Jesus to save us is not something that puts us in danger of Him sending us to hell.

I used to hold your position on OSAS as a new believer but after much prayer, growth, and reading my bible I understand the truth.

If you had ever held my position on eternal security, you wouldn't have abandoned it.

I know, I know. It's fun attending seeker sensitive churches that tell you everything you want to hear as a new believer, isn't it?

This is just a caricature that you have adopted to pidgeon-hole people with.

Nothing can separate you from the love of God? You can never lose your salvation right? Listen to the rock band play, hear a sermon that's sweet to those itching ears? Being a Christian is so easy, you don't even have to obey God because, well you're sealed right unto the day of salvation right?

It is clear that the flesh is driving your understanding because the flesh is the only part of us that sees liberty as an opportunity to sin... which you have expertly described. It is a terrible mistake to refuse to stand fast in liberty for fear of misusing it.

NO! You're believing in lies and doctrines of demons Griffin.

This is really disturbing, not just because it is factually incorrect, but mainly because you are calling God a demon. I know God personally and intimately. And I have been listening to Him and learning from Him for at least 4 decades more than your brief relationship with Him.

Abide in Christ Grifin. Keep the faith to the end and check your salvation to be sure you're in the faith as we're told in Corinthians. That's all I have time for. God bless Griffin. Pray on this one some more, if you truly seek the answer from God, you'll realize you've been duped. God bless Griffin.

You really have no idea what you're saying.

 

[Dan Perez]

Clare, the Bible is full of verses that one can use as evidence to "prove", OSAS or to "prove" finishing the race and abiding in Christ albeit, neither belief should matter if one abides in Christ. However, I firmly believe that one of these beliefs WILL lead many to hell. And so Clare, before you get too comfortable with the world and your flesh, pick up your Bible and read it daily. Pray to God every morning, day and night that He will complete His work in you. Ask Him to do His will in your life, not your will which is tainted by your flesh. Persevere Clare, I believe we're nearing the end. God bless you sister and I hope to see you in heaven and for eternity.

And 2 Tim 2:12 proves OSAS , PERIOD >

# 1 IF // EI , is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 WE SUFFER // HYMBASIEU

# 3 WE SHALL // SYMBASILEUO , Is in the Greek FTIURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , in the INDICIATIVE MOOD , in te INDICATIVE

MOOD , in the PLURAL

# 4 ALSO // KAI is a CONJUNCATION

# 5 REIGN WITH // SYMBASIEUO , in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , Christ make that happen , in the INDICATIVE

MOOD , meaning you better believe it

# 6 HIM // was added to the Greek Text

# 7 , IF // EI , a CONJUNCATION

# 8 WE DENY // ARNEOMAI is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , in the MIDDLE ot PASSIVE TENSE , can also mean to Reject ,

to refuse , disregard or to disown ,

# 9 HE ALSO DENY // KAKEINEINOS us is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE in the INDICATIVE TENSE , meaning you better believe

it , in the SINGULAR .

# 10 WILL DENY // ARNEOMAI , in the Greek FUTIRE TENSE , in the IDICATIVE MOOD , in the SIGNULAR

# 11 US // HEMAS , PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN , ACCIUSATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

And if we are DISBELIEVERS that One ( meaning Christ ) Faithful , He remains faithful , as He is NOT able to CONTRADICT

Himself , ONC SAVED ALWAY SAVED , But in 1 Cor 3:12 says The work of each will become visible for the DAY will make it

PLAIN ( the BEMA SEAT JUDGMENT ) being revealed by FIRE ( means Judgment ) will test the WORK of each one ,

of what sort it is ,

1 Cor 3:14 says , IF the work of anyone which he build up remain , he will receive a REWARD .

Read 1 Cor 3:15

Then read 1 Cor 5:1-5 !!

VERSE 1 Says his son and mother are having f0rnication !

Verse 2 no one will judge them !!

verse 3 and 4 Paul was given to judge that son !!

verse 5 Paul DELIEVERS that person to SATAN for the DEATH Of the FLESH in order THAT THE SPIRIT MAYBE SAVED
in the DAY ( Phil 1:6 ) of Christ , in 2 Thess 2:1 His COMING // PAROUSIA for the BODY OF CHRIST /

And in verse 3 , No one should deceive YOU , in NOT // is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NENGATIVE , means NEVERRRRRRRRRR

ever , one way , because EXCEPT the DEPARTURE // APOSTASIA ( meaning because will be coming for the BODY OF CHRIST

And Christ COMING // PAROUSIA and 2 Thess 2:1 ,,

ALSO his coming in 1 Thess 4:17 CAUGHT AWAY // HARPAZO , and in Gal 1:4 called RESCUE // EXAAIREO

And did miss another one in 1 Thess 3:13 the word COMING //PAROUSIA /

By the way there is NO GREEK WORD CALLED RAPTURE in the KJV BIBLE !!

Just check VINE,S GREEK DICIONARY ot STRONG'S CONCORDANCE !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

Based on what? A Christian is someone who Jesus said 'I paid for your sins, you are forgiven'.

God cannot judge His people in any way because His people have already been judged in Jesus. When Christ drank the cup of God’s wrath He drank it to the dregs. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus and that means on the final day and every day until then. God is never judging you for your sin if you are in Christ.

Don't rely yourself for salvation. Rely on God alone.

You make it sound like there is sin "in Christ".
Is that right ?
If so, I cannot agree.