Zelensky says Ukraine has 'hope' Trump can push Putin toward peace

[Michie]

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky recently expressed optimism that President-elect Donald Trump’s reputation could potentially sway Russian President Vladimir Putin toward peace.

Zelensky asserted during an interview with CBN News anchor and co-host of “Faith Nation,” John Jessup, that Ukrainians “were always for peace,” even before Trump’s reelection.

The Ukrainian president highlighted the Eastern European country’s Evangelical community, reportedly the largest in Europe, and the hope they have in Trump and his “position as a strong president.”

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Zelensky says Ukraine has 'hope' Trump can push Putin toward peace

Ukraine s President Volodymyr Zelensky recently expressed optimism that President-elect Donald Trump s reputation could potentially sway Russian President Vladimir Putin toward peace

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[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Trump needs to push Ukraine to concede, they have lost and will only continue to lose more.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

President Trump and President Zelensky could inform President Putin that peace negotiations will commence once the Russian army withdraws from all Ukrainian territory. The decision to end the conflict or continue it rests with President Putin.

I believe President Trump seeks peace, as does Zelensky. The main obstacle is Putin's desire to claim territory that belongs to another country.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

President Trump and President Zelensky could inform President Putin that peace negotiations will commence once the Russian army withdraws from all Ukrainian territory. The decision to end the conflict or continue it rests with President Putin.

Magical thinking. Especially when Ukraine is losing.

I believe President Trump seeks peace, as does Zelensky. The main obstacle is Putin's desire to claim territory that belongs to another country.

Ukraine is not getting that territory back. How many Ukraniana need to die in order to recapture the 4 oblast and Crimea?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Magical thinking. Especially when Ukraine is losing.

Ukraine is not getting that territory back. How many Ukraniana need to die in order to recapture the 4 oblast and Crimea?

Ukrainians are willing to die for their country as long as it takes.

You might consider asking how many Ukrainian lives must be sacrificed before President Putin abandons his unethical ambition to annex the territories of other countries.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Ukrainians are willing to die for their country as long as it takes.

Do you encourage your brother to do things which are self destructive?

You might consider asking how many Ukrainian lives must be sacrificed before President Putin abandons his unethical ambition to annex the territories of other countries.

I think a lot of Ukranians will have to die and that it will no longer be a country if things continue the way they are going. I think if Ukraine is going to continue to exist it needs to make concenessions. I'm not in favour of total death wars or continuing a conflict which cannot be won.

So I ask again, how many Ukranians need to die for your ambition to see them recapture their lost territory? Are you willing to support them in that goal?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Do you encourage your brother to do things which are self destructive?

I think a lot of Ukranians will have to die and that it will no longer be a country if things continue the way they are going. I think if Ukraine is going to continue to exist it needs to make concenessions. I'm not in favour of total death wars or continuing a conflict which cannot be won.

So I ask again, how many Ukranians need to die for your ambition to see them recapture their lost territory? Are you willing to support them in that goal?

If Australia were to annex Auckland today, would it be prudent to consider ceding Auckland in order to avoid a potentially unwinnable conflict?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

If Australia were to annex Auckland today, would it be prudent to consider ceding Auckland in order to avoid a potentially unwinnable conflict?

Yes. Because NZ has no realistic chance of defending itself against Australia. Why should hundreds of thousands of Aucklanders die to defend the sovereignty of New Zealand?

You are advocating Ukraine continue this war yet are unwilling to lay out the cost.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Yes. Because NZ has no realistic chance of defending itself against Australia. Why should hundreds of thousands of Aucklanders die to defend the sovereignty of New Zealand?

You are advocating Ukraine continue this war yet are unwilling to lay out the cost.

Now I see why you want Christian in power. You believe that strength rules and the weak should accept their fate and try to live as well as they can, but those with power and might take whatever they want.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Now I see why you want Christian in power. You believe that strength rules and the weak should accept their fate and try to live as well as they can, but those with power and might take whatever they want.

Don't you believe in Christians submitting to strength? Yet you want the Ukranians to be strong in order for what exactly? When I analyze power I try not to rely on ideology or wishful thinking. You are encouraging Ukranian suicide. You cannot offer sober analysis or tell us how many men Ukraine should be willing to send to the Frontline for its military goals.

Please explain to me how Ukraine recapture lost territory and then tell me how many men have to die for this vision and why they should die for this vision. You are advocating war, sell this war plan of yours.

Wouldn't you advocate Ukranian Orthodox Christians not participate in the fighting?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Don't you believe in Christians submitting to strength? Yet you want the Ukranians to be strong in order for what exactly? When I analyze power I try not to rely on ideology or wishful thinking. You are encouraging Ukranian suicide. You cannot offer sober analysis or tell us how many men Ukraine should be willing to send to the Frontline for its military goals.

Please explain to me how Ukraine recapture lost territory and then tell me how many men have to die for this vision and why they should die for this vision. You are advocating war, sell this war plan of yours.

Wouldn't you advocate Ukranian Orthodox Christians not participate in the fighting?

I am not encouraging Ukraine to engage in conflict, nor to face casualties or sacrifices. What I am advocating is rest of the world join Ukraine and pressure Russa to back down.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I am not encouraging Ukraine to engage in conflict, nor to face casualties or sacrifices. What I am advocating is rest of the world join Ukraine and pressure Russa to back down.

Oh so you want Americans on the Frontlines? How many Americans need to die for Ukraine's borders?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Oh so you want Americans on the Frontlines? How many Americans need to die for Ukraine's borders?

Why go to war? Economic sanctions and isolating Russia financially are more effective.

Problem is some on the west like yourself can’t even admit that Putin is wrong and he should leave Ukraine.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Why go to war? Economic sanctions and isolating Russia financially are more effective.

They haven't worked thus far and have punished Europe and other countries just as much. This has also forced Russia and other parts of the world to develop BRICS and move outside of the American and European markets. Not to mention it's drawn Russia and China closer.

Sanctions also have not prevented Russia from achieving military victory. Russia outproduces the West on artillery. So if Americans are to get seriously involved you need to put boots on the ground. Are you prepared for Americans to die for Ukraine's borders? If so, what is the acceptable amount of Americans dead to achieve Ukranian recapture of its territory?

Problem is some on the west like yourself can’t even admit that Putin is wrong and he should leave Ukraine.

I don't think he is especially wrong to be worries about NATO but that doesn't matter. What matters is the reality on the ground and not your moral arguments. Which is weird because you're so passionate about Christians remaining pacifist and subject to evil yet you support Ukranian Nationalism? Both Ukraine and Russia are evil earthly regimes.

Why are you as a Christian invested in a military outcome when you should be above such things per your own understanding? In the other thread you have argued that we as Christians shouldn't be involved in politics, yet you are here arguing that Ukranians should be willing to die for their borders? I know you probably don't consider Orthodox Christians as Christians and is that why you don't mind encouraging them to die pointlessly?

You still can't present an actual plan that accomplishes military victory btw.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

They haven't worked thus far and have punished Europe and other countries just as much. This has also forced Russia and other parts of the world to develop BRICS and move outside of the American and European markets. Not to mention it's drawn Russia and China closer.

Sanctions also have not prevented Russia from achieving military victory. Russia outproduces the West on artillery. So if Americans are to get seriously involved you need to put boots on the ground. Are you prepared for Americans to die for Ukraine's borders? If so, what is the acceptable amount of Americans dead to achieve Ukranian recapture of its territory?

I don't think he is especially wrong to be worries about NATO but that doesn't matter. What matters is the reality on the ground and not your moral arguments. Which is weird because you're so passionate about Christians remaining pacifist and subject to evil yet you support Ukranian Nationalism? Both Ukraine and Russia are evil earthly regimes.

Why are you as a Christian invested in a military outcome when you should be above such things per your own understanding? In the other thread you have argued that we as Christians shouldn't be involved in politics, yet you are here arguing that Ukranians should be willing to die for their borders? I know you probably don't consider Orthodox Christians as Christians and is that why you don't mind encouraging them to die pointlessly?

You still can't present an actual plan that accomplishes military victory btw.

Putin's invasion and annexation of Ukrainian land is wrong.

Do you agree with this statement?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Putin's invasion and annexation of Ukrainian land is wrong.

Do you agree with this statement?

No, I don't. A few reasons why, the land Russia has annexed is majority Russian and Ukraine has been treating it's Russian citizens worse, even before the war. Secondly I agree with Russia that NATO on it's doorstep is a security threat that Russia cannot accept, thus the need for Ukraine to be neutral. But since the morality of the invasion and annexation doesn't affect geopolitical reality and military reality, who is in the right cannot solve this. Justifications don't impact the reality on the ground and that reality is that Ukraine is losing. Yet you want to support them in a total death war in which they sacrifice even more men for a chance of victory. It's foolish and not realistic and what irks me about people with your opinion is that you can never admit the cost. You can never just come out and say hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men need to die in order to secure Ukraine and NATO. Instead you hide behind platitudes and moral arguments which even more die. This is why I consider your own USA a primary agent in starting this conflict in selling Ukraine something it could never make good on.

But I thought you rejected earthly power completely and this would include all nations which are entirely worldly in their power, yet you are adamant that the territorial integrity of a nation like Ukraine must be protected? That thousands, if not hundreds of thousands must die for that effort. Can you explain how you reconcile your Christian pacifism with your support for Ukrainian war efforts? Why do you oppose Christians being in power and yet support worldly conflicts? Are you American first, Christian second?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Zelensky will leave Ukraine as soon as the US stops sending him money.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

No, I don't. A few reasons why, the land Russia has annexed is majority Russian and Ukraine has been treating it's Russian citizens worse, even before the war. Secondly I agree with Russia that NATO on it's doorstep is a security threat that Russia cannot accept, thus the need for Ukraine to be neutral. But since the morality of the invasion and annexation doesn't affect geopolitical reality and military reality, who is in the right cannot solve this. Justifications don't impact the reality on the ground and that reality is that Ukraine is losing. Yet you want to support them in a total death war in which they sacrifice even more men for a chance of victory. It's foolish and not realistic and what irks me about people with your opinion is that you can never admit the cost. You can never just come out and say hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men need to die in order to secure Ukraine and NATO. Instead you hide behind platitudes and moral arguments which even more die. This is why I consider your own USA a primary agent in starting this conflict in selling Ukraine something it could never make good on.

But I thought you rejected earthly power completely and this would include all nations which are entirely worldly in their power, yet you are adamant that the territorial integrity of a nation like Ukraine must be protected? That thousands, if not hundreds of thousands must die for that effort. Can you explain how you reconcile your Christian pacifism with your support for Ukrainian war efforts? Why do you oppose Christians being in power and yet support worldly conflicts? Are you American first, Christian second?

Russia's invasion of a sovereign country has resulted in over 787,000 deaths, and you want blame others?

I could only arrive at this conclusion if I were employed at a Russian cyber farm under Putin's payroll, with the objective of creating chaos in the West and convincing Western citizen to support the Russian war in Ukraine.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Russia's invasion of a sovereign country has resulted in over 787,000 deaths, and you want blame others?

In geopolitics there's always multiple sides to a conflict. Russia bears responsibility, yes, but so does the USA. You might not like the idea of the USA being wrong, but in this case (and in many other wars they have started and participated in) they were exceptionally wrong.

I could only arrive at this conclusion if I were employed at a Russian cyber farm under Putin's payroll, with the objective of creating chaos in the West and convincing Western citizen to support the Russian war in Ukraine.

This is just assuming bad faith, that the only people who could sympathize with Russia are in it's payroll. But that's simply not true and it's not an argument. Anymore than me calling you an American shill who is absolutely loyal to uncle Sam is an argument.

Please address my critique of you. You claim that as a Christian you are above earthly political concerns yet you are adamantly in favour or continuing this war (thus you want Ukranians to die to secure victory) and you won't brook the concept of peacetalks or a settlement. Why do you want more Ukranians to die for Crimea?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

In geopolitics there's always multiple sides to a conflict. Russia bears responsibility, yes, but so does the USA. You might not like the idea of the USA being wrong, but in this case (and in many other wars they have started and participated in) they were exceptionally wrong.

This is just assuming bad faith, that the only people who could sympathize with Russia are in it's payroll. But that's simply not true and it's not an argument. Anymore than me calling you an American shill who is absolutely loyal to uncle Sam is an argument.

Please address my critique of you. You claim that as a Christian you are above earthly political concerns yet you are adamantly in favour or continuing this war (thus you want Ukranians to die to secure victory) and you won't brook the concept of peacetalks or a settlement. Why do you want more Ukranians to die for Crimea?

As a Christian, I hold the belief that prayer and faith in Jesus Christ are essential for achieving peace. I believe that without Jesus Christ, neither war nor negotiation can truly bring about lasting peace.

As a Christian, I can also seek the truth. And the Truth is Putin and the Russian army invaded Ukraine, causing over 787 thousand deaths. I don't want Ukraine to keep fighting or Russia to occupy Ukraine.

The killing could stop if Russia withdraws from Ukraine.