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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77676832" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>No; as I have pointed out again and again and again on this thread, it is a <strong><em>cluster</em></strong> of beliefs which underpin abuse. This is one belief in that cluster. </p><p></p><p>Which has nothing to do with healthy power dynamics in a household. </p><p></p><p>No; it is not making a value judgement. It is making a statement of fact. </p><p></p><p>What on earth are you talking about?</p><p></p><p>No, you haven't. </p><p></p><p>It's not a matter of accusation. It's a matter of recognising where we still, as a society, have work to do. </p><p></p><p>And I'm saying, let's work on the beliefs which we currently know underpin abuse. All this other hypothetical stuff about possible future beliefs is just a distraction from the work that needs doing now. </p><p></p><p>No, they're basing it on what we've learned about the beliefs abusers use to justify their abuse. </p><p></p><p>Your example is so vague I have no real idea what you're talking about. I suspect I would deeply disagree that attempts to promote equality are actually causing abuse. Either way, I'm fairly sure it's completely off topic, because we are concerned here with abuse within households, and that has nothing to do with DEI ideology. </p><p></p><p>It actually measures very specific traits; demandingness, awfulising, downing, etc. Those are (with the possible exception of demandingness) not the attitudes which drive abuse.</p><p></p><p>But it is not measuring the attitudes and beliefs that underpin abuse!</p><p></p><p>I am only telling you what is the common understanding in the primary prevention field, and what I have seen reflected in the academic literature. </p><p></p><p>But the same belief can be held by people with vastly different cognitions, emotions and perceptions. Or by the same person over time, with very different cognitive, emotional and perceptual states. It is not as simple as all of these things varying together in a stable and predictable way. </p><p></p><p>(Says the guy who's never worked in primary prevention). </p><p></p><p>That would depend entirely on the workplace, wouldn't it?</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't even necessarily disagree with this, but it is not the point I was making. </p><p></p><p>And this has absolutely nothing to do with the situation I was referring to. But we are, once again, getting completely off topic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77676832, member: 386627"] No; as I have pointed out again and again and again on this thread, it is a [B][I]cluster[/I][/B] of beliefs which underpin abuse. This is one belief in that cluster. Which has nothing to do with healthy power dynamics in a household. No; it is not making a value judgement. It is making a statement of fact. What on earth are you talking about? No, you haven't. It's not a matter of accusation. It's a matter of recognising where we still, as a society, have work to do. And I'm saying, let's work on the beliefs which we currently know underpin abuse. All this other hypothetical stuff about possible future beliefs is just a distraction from the work that needs doing now. No, they're basing it on what we've learned about the beliefs abusers use to justify their abuse. Your example is so vague I have no real idea what you're talking about. I suspect I would deeply disagree that attempts to promote equality are actually causing abuse. Either way, I'm fairly sure it's completely off topic, because we are concerned here with abuse within households, and that has nothing to do with DEI ideology. It actually measures very specific traits; demandingness, awfulising, downing, etc. Those are (with the possible exception of demandingness) not the attitudes which drive abuse. But it is not measuring the attitudes and beliefs that underpin abuse! I am only telling you what is the common understanding in the primary prevention field, and what I have seen reflected in the academic literature. But the same belief can be held by people with vastly different cognitions, emotions and perceptions. Or by the same person over time, with very different cognitive, emotional and perceptual states. It is not as simple as all of these things varying together in a stable and predictable way. (Says the guy who's never worked in primary prevention). That would depend entirely on the workplace, wouldn't it? I wouldn't even necessarily disagree with this, but it is not the point I was making. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the situation I was referring to. But we are, once again, getting completely off topic. [/QUOTE]
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