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<blockquote data-quote="partinobodycular" data-source="post: 77659720" data-attributes="member: 435281"><p>So you've recently changed your opinion on free will, and I assume that this change of opinion was brought about by contemplating the idea, not by simply waking up one morning to find that your opinion had changed, although this too is possible. While something likely led you to contemplate the question in the first place, the contemplation itself probably took place on a conscious level, and your choice to reconsider your position also seems to have taken place on a conscious level.</p><p></p><p>So even if we accept the obvious fact that subconscious processes are involved in our choices, and may in fact dominate them, don't we still have the capacity, as you did, to consciously evaluate... not only the choice, but also the subconscious processes that may be influencing that choice? And does that ability to elevate and evaluate the process itself, have the capacity to free us from a purely subservient relationship with that process?</p><p></p><p>Can we change a determinate, subconscious process into a conscious, free will process simply by being aware of, and consciously compensating for that process?</p><p></p><p>It's just a thought, but can we potentially break the grip of those subconscious processes simply by being aware of them?</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, even when made aware of them, most people still have difficulty overcoming them. So even if true, being aware of the process doesn't guarantee that someone can overcome it. But is the potential there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="partinobodycular, post: 77659720, member: 435281"] So you've recently changed your opinion on free will, and I assume that this change of opinion was brought about by contemplating the idea, not by simply waking up one morning to find that your opinion had changed, although this too is possible. While something likely led you to contemplate the question in the first place, the contemplation itself probably took place on a conscious level, and your choice to reconsider your position also seems to have taken place on a conscious level. So even if we accept the obvious fact that subconscious processes are involved in our choices, and may in fact dominate them, don't we still have the capacity, as you did, to consciously evaluate... not only the choice, but also the subconscious processes that may be influencing that choice? And does that ability to elevate and evaluate the process itself, have the capacity to free us from a purely subservient relationship with that process? Can we change a determinate, subconscious process into a conscious, free will process simply by being aware of, and consciously compensating for that process? It's just a thought, but can we potentially break the grip of those subconscious processes simply by being aware of them? Unfortunately, even when made aware of them, most people still have difficulty overcoming them. So even if true, being aware of the process doesn't guarantee that someone can overcome it. But is the potential there? [/QUOTE]
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