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His court records for start. Then it just continues.Why do you believe that Joseph Smith Jr was a "con man"?
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His court records for start. Then it just continues.Why do you believe that Joseph Smith Jr was a "con man"?
Because your idea of God's plan for his children is not quite the same as many other's. Wrapping all of those disparate issues into one vast, monolithic conspiracy is definitely your idea.Why do you believe that God and His plan for His children is my idea?
For the record - the practice of polygamy in the early-LDS Church was not very appealing and many left the Church because of it.Ultimately, as you know, it's not whether or not I approve of it or anyone else approves of it. And I know that if I was merely left to myself and my own thoughts in this life, without recourse to a large number of insights about the world in which we live, polygamy and/or polyamory would look especially appealing, as they have to many men.
For the moment, it's good to know that you question these things as well.
I don't know. I lived for a couple of years in a Muslim country where polygamy is allowed. Very few men actually take it up.Ultimately, as you know, it's not whether or not I approve of it or anyone else approves of it. And I know that if I was merely left to myself and my own thoughts in this life, without recourse to a large number of insights about the world in which we live, polygamy and/or polyamory would look especially appealing, as they have to many men.
For the moment, it's good to know that you question these things as well.
For the record - the practice of polygamy in the early-LDS Church was not very appealing and many left the Church because of it.
Those who practiced it also expressed discomfort - including the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr.
Are you referring to the pre-trail hearing or the mess regarding the bank?His court records for start. Then it just continues.
I am definitely not the source of the idea that Satan exists and that he is waging a spiritual war with us at all times.Because your idea of God's plan for his children is not quite the same as many other's. Wrapping all of those disparate issues into one vast, monolithic conspiracy is definitely your idea.
I was thinking of his pre-"revelation" conviction in upstate NY. I'd forgotten about his other legal troubles. It isn't helping his case.Are you referring to the pre-trail hearing or the mess regarding the bank?
I don't know. I lived for a couple of years in a Muslim country where polygamy is allowed. Very few men actually take it up.
Sometimes they do, for other reasons than just more sex. My next-door neighbor was an elderly married man with grown children when his brother died, leaving a childless, impoverished widow. He married her without thought of consummation, but merely to give her the protection of his household in a country where single women have few rights. It was considered by all to be an honorable thing to do.Yes, I'm aware that polygamy is rather a complicated scenario for any man to choose today and it's not that widespread in practice, even in the Middle-East. Polygamy was complicated even thousands of years ago, but it's just more so today. I'm not surprised if Muslim men don't often take up their cultural entitlements.
Surely you know better than to assume anything.So, let me assume, then, that if I put on my historian's hat and I go looking for corroboration for these statements of yours, not only will I find corroboration for them but I'll find them with contexts fitting the implications that you've alluded to about them.
May I assume this will be the case?
Sometimes they do, for other reasons than just more sex. My next-door neighbor was an elderly married man with grown children when his brother died, leaving a childless, impoverished widow. He married her without thought of consummation, but merely to give her the protection of his household in a country where single women have few rights. It was considered by all to be an honorable thing to do.
Correct - many of the brethren for decades after the martyrdom of the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr continued to berate the early-LDS Church because of their resistance to - not only the practice of - but the very idea of plural marriage.So, let me assume, then, that if I put on my historian's hat and I go looking for corroboration for these statements of yours, not only will I find corroboration for them but I'll find them with contexts fitting the implications that you've alluded to about them.
May I assume this will be the case?
The Prophet Joseph Smith Jr claimed to have been visited by both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ in what has since been referred to as the Sacred Grove when he was only fourteen years old.I was thinking of his pre-"revelation" conviction in upstate NY. I'd forgotten about his other legal troubles. It isn't helping his case.
I didn't realize about the 1830 NY case, but I was thinking of the 1826 NY case:The Prophet Joseph Smith Jr claimed to have been visited by both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ in what has since been referred to as the Sacred Grove when he was only fourteen years old.
Perhaps you meant pre-founding of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
The only legal proceedings that I was aware of that he dealt with before the founding of the LDS Church was the pre-trial hearing that I have already mentioned.
This was the pre-trial hearing - or rather examination - that I was referring to.I didn't realize about the 1830 NY case, but I was thinking of the 1826 NY case:
Joseph Smith and the criminal justice system - Wikipedia
So many other crimes listed...This was the pre-trial hearing - or rather examination - that I was referring to.
It was not a trial - he was not found guilty of any crime - and the court costs were paid.
A lot of charges laid against him time and time again. He was not popular among certain circles.So many other crimes listed...
Including with the husbands of his additional wives. You're not going to get me to think Smith was some sort of marter instead of a disreputable person using religion to manipulated and gain power.A lot of charges laid against him time and time again. He was not popular among certain circles.
Yes, he already had one wife.And was your next-door neighbor already married when he took that widow in? I'm just asking because I know that somewhere in the middle of this, we'll want to designate the semantic and denotative differences between: polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, and the current favorite, polyamory.