Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

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Genesis was written as, taken to be a
descriotion of real events.
Which is more like science than theology.

Falsely so- called real, but, thought to be.

Still is in some dark corners.
That may be your opinion, but its not the mainstream Christian view. You can consult any good non-sectarian Bible Dictionary, some are even online. Search for "Genesis" or "Creation".

Or, you can check books like "How to read the Bible", by G.D. Fee, D. Stuart or similar guides.
 
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...Sure it does, God created the moon and stated it was a created light to give light to the earth. That is what God wants man to know about the moon.
Your main problem is that you don't realize that the part of the Bible you are quoting was written by Jewish scribes and scholars and not by any deity. (Some think it was written by Moses, others do not.) They wrote about the Moon and Sun the way they understood them, but as we have found out. Their understanding was flawed.
...But men of science and more than likely "unbelieving men of science" came up with the idea that the moon is lit by the sun and which causes the moon to have phases and reflect light to the earth. Because of the movement of the moon and the movement of the sun, earth, etc...
You don't have to be a "man of science" or even an unbeliever to notice that the Moon is just an object reflecting external light like more objects we see. My couch doesn't emit its own light, yet I see it. The trees in my yard don't emit their own light, yet I see them. Etc.
...Now in describing in The Bible the moon. God could have easily stated how He created the moon to work as a created light. How He ordered to light to function in phases, how the moon produces its own light. etc.. But God did not, just like how God did not go into detail of how Jesus was able to walk on water. People are just given the account that Jesus walked on water. So you may believe it or not.
I assumed the lake froze. That's how I have always walked on water.
 
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Genesis was not written by God. Its a mythological drama or possibly a vision written by a bronze-age human author.

Jesus took Genesis literally.
 
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The mess I made was when I'd been working on a reply with intent to post it.. but then while editing I decided not to post it and deleted it.
But then I went on to a different thread where I did post a reply.. but the previous thread where I aborted the post by deleting it, was included with the reply I actually posted: dif thread, dif reply.. like train cars still attached but no people in them.

I thought that if I could get into the editing part and delete the extras off from my one intended post reply then that would correct the problem. But after I'd accidentally hit the "quote all" button, nothing in my window seemed to change but when I checked some postings from others their post number had changed from for instance #521 to #0.7390 or something like that.

At other previous times I noticed the same problem but had managed to keep previous aborted postings from attaching to an actual posting. It's just that this time I thought I'd disconnected the extra train cars as it were.. but then realized too late that I hadn't after all.

An additional problem is that other times when I used the edit button it's duration was about 3 seconds or less then it refused to post my edit of a reply.

My method of completely eliminating an unwanted attachment is hit and miss as I try to work with the system that is being used on this forum.
My bad. Sorry for the long post. I see now that you referred to the delete button. My thoughts were concerning a manual delete while still in the compose window.
 
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That may be your opinion, but its not the mainstream Christian view.

1. Is Israel the Promised Land?

2. Is America blessed above other nations because the Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect?
 
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Jesus took Genesis literally.
Yes, from a religious standpoint theology and mythology are two different things. For instance, Jesus is theology. Zeus is mythology.

From many scriptures we know that Jesus pre-incarnate was actually there from Gen.1:1 onward of the creation days.
 
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That may be your opinion, but its not the mainstream Christian view. You can consult any good non-sectarian Bible Dictionary, some are even online. Search for "Genesis" or "Creation".

Or, you can check books like "How to read the Bible", by G.D. Fee, D. Stuart or similar guides.
I didn't say it was (still) " mainstream"
tho it's half or so in America and until
recently was universal.
Or die/be ostracized.

I may know better than you how to read the bible.
In the event, I will leave the One True, God shown
bible interprtin' to those it entertains.
 
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Are you really going to "adapt" God's word to aethiest science unscientific explanations?
Unscientific? Come on man. If you believe the moon generates its own light, you might as well believe in unicorns and fairies.

I do what any reasonable person would do - conclude that the author of Genesis is using metaphorical language.
 
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Jesus took Genesis literally.
Actually, He was quite careful with wording. Saying "have you not read that" or "you have heard it was said", "it is written", "Moses gave you" etc. most of the time. Simply referring to the text, to the tradition and traditional authorities or to the contemporary societal hierarchy ("listen to what they [Pharisees] teach...").

He also clearly positioned himself as the ultimate authority - using Scriptures as he saw fit, quoting it, but also interpreting/applying it differently than was customary or even cancelling some of it (e.g. divorce rules given by Moses). He also came with many of His own concepts and teachings that were not from the Scriptures.

Quite a different way than the American YEC - "its literal, dictated by God word for word, bam bam bam". Your version of those texts did not even exist at that time, not to say a canon, not to say your ideas you try to see in the text.

He was using both the text and traditions to be generally (not always) authoritative (for Jews, He did not quote Scriptures to Romans) regarding societal rules and regarding prophecies about Him. However, "literal" is your addition not found in the Bible even once.

He never mentioned genealogies or that you should sum them, He never said anything about the shape or age of the Earth, never had any conflict with any Greek or Roman regarding cosmology etc. Its all your YEC invention.
 
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...Sure it does, God created the moon and stated it was a created light to give light to the earth. That is what God wants man to know about the moon.
The Genesis verse was a short mention of the function of the sun and moon. In other verses there is additional detail as the purpose may dictate. The Bible is written in a thematic way. Not in a scientific way where everything about a topic is written all at once. The thematic way requires the reader to put one verse about a topic with another same topic verse in another book OT or NT which support each other.
That is what's meant by "line upon line and precept by precept." Someone once described it as the front side of a work of knitting. It's orderly. But turn to the backside and see the tie-offs of the yarn that are tied to other tie-offs. The knowledge of God is not everything right at the surface but a person has to dig deep to find the connections.
...But men of science and more than likely "unbelieving men of science" came up with the idea that the moon is lit by the sun and which causes the moon to have phases and reflect light to the earth. Because of the movement of the moon and the movement of the sun, earth, etc...
There are scriptures that speak of full moons, new moons, and moon phases such as the sliver of light that must be witnessed by appointed men, that sliver of light signals the beginning of an appointed feast of the Lord.
No author of any book has said that the moon shines with it's own light. They say that the moon gives light.
Like Christians give the gospel. We are not the authors of it. We don't own it. But we are lights that reflect the true light of the world.

There's a text which also states that when the sun is darkened the moon has no light. Meaning that the moon depends on the light from the sun to even be seen at all.. night or day. During an eclipse the moon facing the earth is black because it has no light of it's own. During the phases the moon is dark while another part is light. That is only possible because the moon doesn't have it's own self-generated light. It only reflects light from the sun.
...Now in describing in The Bible the moon. God could have easily stated how He created the moon to work as a created light. How He ordered to light to function in phases, how the moon produces its own light. etc.. But God did not, just like how God did not go into detail of how Jesus was able to walk on water. People are just given the account that Jesus walked on water. So you may believe it or not.
God did not say that the moon had or produces it's own light. A lamp doesn't generate it's own light, it needs a power source or it won't give it's light.

The moon doesn't have it's own light any more than Peter had of himself the ability to do miracles. When the people thanked him he clearly pointed to God's power that made the miracles possible.

If someone gives you $100 and you give it to someone else. You are not the source of the money, the person who gave it to you is the source. Tell the person you gave the money to, to thank the person who gave it to you. Because you couldn't have given it if it hadn't been given to you.

We can extrapolate that Jesus walked on the water by faith or why else would he rebuke Peter who lost his faith to walk on the water to 'come' to Jesus. Where did Jesus get his faith to walk on water? From a verse in the Psalms. He had live by faith because Jesus was on the earth as a man not as God.
...So it really boils down to a person either believes God's testimony about His (God's) creation or a person believes mans testimony about God's creation.
You expect people to believe your testimony. A man who believes and interprets independently from the Christian orthodox theology and creationists.

A Christian will believe God's word and not man who's beliefs are unorthodox. But a Christian doesn't normally ignore the observable laws of nature either.
When science uses observational methods to give detail about God's creation. That science can be accepted as supportive to explain creation in a technical-informational way that God's word doesn't.
God uses nature that He created to lead people to Him. We know by faith that the world-cosmos was framed-established by the word of God.
...But now it has even traveled further away from being a creation by God. To a mystery beginning, that is not even defined as a creation but an un-caused beginning that has a un-caused process of evolution. that brought about what science calls the universe.
The Bible (wherever the case may be) uses the word "world" to refer to the cosmos which is a synonym of universe. Atheistic scientists didn't come up with the universe, they only use science to describe it.
 
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The Genesis verse was a short mention of the function of the sun and moon. In other verses there is additional detail as the purpose may dictate. The Bible is written in a thematic way. Not in a scientific way where everything about a topic is written all at once. The thematic way requires the reader to put one verse about a topic with another same topic verse in another book OT or NT which support each other.
That is what's meant by "line upon line and precept by precept." Someone once described it as the front side of a work of knitting. It's orderly. But turn to the backside and see the tie-offs of the yarn that are tied to other tie-offs. The knowledge of God is not everything right at the surface but a person has to dig deep to find the connections.

There are scriptures that speak of full moons, new moons, and moon phases such as the sliver of light that must be witnessed by appointed men, that sliver of light signals the beginning of an appointed feast of the Lord.
No author of any book has said that the moon shines with it's own light. They say that the moon gives light.
Like Christians give the gospel. We are not the authors of it. We don't own it. But we are lights that reflect the true light of the world.

There's a text which also states that when the sun is darkened the moon has no light. Meaning that the moon depends on the light from the sun to even be seen at all.. night or day. During an eclipse the moon facing the earth is black because it has no light of it's own. During the phases the moon is dark while another part is light. That is only possible because the moon doesn't have it's own self-generated light. It only reflects light from the sun.

God did not say that the moon had or produces it's own light. A lamp doesn't generate it's own light, it needs a power source or it won't give it's light.

The moon doesn't have it's own light any more than Peter had of himself the ability to do miracles. When the people thanked him he clearly pointed to God's power that made the miracles possible.

If someone gives you $100 and you give it to someone else. You are not the source of the money, the person who gave it to you is the source. Tell the person you gave the money to, to thank the person who gave it to you. Because you couldn't have given it if it hadn't been given to you.

We can extrapolate that Jesus walked on the water by faith or why else would he rebuke Peter who lost his faith to walk on the water to 'come' to Jesus. Where did Jesus get his faith to walk on water? From a verse in the Psalms. He had live by faith because Jesus was on the earth as a man not as God.

You expect people to believe your testimony. A man who believes and interprets independently from the Christian orthodox theology and creationists.

A Christian will believe God's word and not man who's beliefs are unorthodox. But a Christian doesn't normally ignore the observable laws of nature either.
When science uses observational methods to give detail about God's creation. That science can be accepted as supportive to explain creation in a technical-informational way that God's word doesn't.
God uses nature that He created to lead people to Him. We know by faith that the world-cosmos was framed-established by the word of God.

The Bible (wherever the case may be) uses the word "world" to refer to the cosmos which is a synonym of universe. Atheistic scientists didn't come up with the universe, they only use science to describe it.
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I will add you the over flowing list of christian's who has let science affect their Bible understanding.

When a biblical text is interpreted outside of its historical context, it is often unconsciously interpreted in terms of the reader's own culture, time and beliefs. This has happened more than once to Genesis 1: To avoid distorting Genesis 1 in this way, the serious exegete will insist upon placing this chapter within its own historical context.

Your approach and meaning is derived purely from knowledge of modern Western science and simply read into the text. Which is is eisegetical, not exegetical.
 
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...Now in describing in The Bible the moon. God could have easily stated how He created the moon to work as a created light. How He ordered to light to function in phases, how the moon produces its own light. etc.. But God did not, just like how God did not go into detail of how Jesus was able to walk on water. People are just given the account that Jesus walked on water. So you may believe it or not.
So now you are employing the ambiguity argument.
This is what Genesis 1-16 states.
God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Tell me where does it explicitly state in this verse the moon produces its own light?
Whoever wrote this verse is being just as ambiguous, the author doesn't tell us the moonlight is created or simply reflected sunlight.
It is both sad and laughable that individuals like yourself along with a few others in this forum, need to create an enemy, in this case science, to justify your existence.
It was the Greek philosophers which first posed the question about moonlight, it was science which eventually provided the answer without any collusion from Satan, tooth fairies or hobgoblins.
 
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...Sure it does, God created the moon and stated it was a created light to give light to the earth. That is what God wants man to know about the moon.

...But men of science and more than likely "unbelieving men of science" came up with the idea that the moon is lit by the sun and which causes the moon to have phases and reflect light to the earth. Because of the movement of the moon and the movement of the sun, earth, etc...

...Now in describing in The Bible the moon. God could have easily stated how He created the moon to work as a created light. How He ordered to light to function in phases, how the moon produces its own light. etc.. But God did not, just like how God did not go into detail of how Jesus was able to walk on water. People are just given the account that Jesus walked on water. So you may believe it or not.

...So it really boils down to a person either believes God's testimony about His (God's) creation or a person believes mans testimony about God's creation.
...But now it has even traveled further away from being a creation by God. To a mystery beginning, that is not even defined as a creation but an un-caused beginning that has a un-caused process of evolution. that brought about what science calls the universe.
No, you're asking us to accept your interpretation of what you say God did not testify to.
 
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No, you're asking us to accept your interpretation of what you say God did not testify to.
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No, I do not care what you believe or accept. As for me i am fully comfortable standing before God with what i believe, The Bible is stating and describing about God's creation.
 
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So now you are employing the ambiguity argument.
This is what Genesis 1-16 states.

Tell me where does it explicitly state in this verse the moon produces its own light?
Whoever wrote this verse is being just as ambiguous, the author doesn't tell us the moonlight is created or simply reflected sunlight.
It is both sad and laughable that individuals like yourself along with a few others in this forum, need to create an enemy, in this case science, to justify your existence.
It was the Greek philosophers which first posed the question about moonlight, it was science which eventually provided the answer without any collusion from Satan, tooth fairies or hobgoblins.
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It is well documented that we do not agree on God's creation, have a nice life.
 
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