Abolishing the British Monarchy

tampasteve said:

That's fair to say, of course I don't know them personally and have never met them. Although I really don't follow the gossip at all, it just isn't something that I am interested in. I dislike how they have treated the institution of the monarchy and family, from the outside. Of course I don't know what goes on inside the family, none of us really do.

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tampasteve said:

That's fair to say, of course I don't know them personally and have never met them. Although I really don't follow the gossip at all, it just isn't something that I am interested in. I dislike how they have treated the institution of the monarchy and family, from the outside. Of course I don't know what goes on inside the family, none of us really do.

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Whyayeman said:

No, we don't know them - at all. All we are told comes from the tittle -tattle of the popular media. And they don't know them either.

If you 'don't really follow the gossip' how can you have such strong opinions about them, liking some and disliking others?

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Whyayeman said:

You have casually stated that you 'like' one of her sons and dislike the other, despite your admission that you know hardly anything about them. That strikes me as shallow.

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bèlla said:

Not really. Most royalists don't care for Harry and Meghan. Unlike William, he married someone with connections and something to fall back on. He didn't have to dance to their tune. They left and came to America and got an agent. Since they're no longer working royals they don't have the financial constraints the others do. They can have businesses and do projects because it isn't a conflict of interest. They have options and flexibility without the demands or politics. Since they're self-supporting they're not subject to the same scrutiny or charges of freeloading.

Make no mistake they have it easier. The American media isn't in the monarchy's pocket or under a gag order and they don't bother them. Whereas the British media can't do the same. Their stories must be approved unless they're leaked to other outlets like Spain.

People who aren't legacy minded don't understand the realities of what the firm entails and the ruthlessness therein. This is what it takes to build a dynasty and maintain it.

When Elizabeth and Philip get back to England, Elizabeth receives a letter from her grandmother that warns her of the importance of the job she is about to assume.

"I have seen three great monarchies brought down from their failure to separate their personal indulgences from duty… While you mourn your father, you must also mourn someone else: Elizabeth Mountbatten, for she has now been replaced by another person, Elizabeth Regina. The two Elizabeths will frequently be in conflict with one another. The fact is, the crown must win—must always win," writes Queen Mary to her granddaughter.

It must always win. You mate with that in mind. You breed with that in mind. Your career and education are a reflection of that choice. Your friendships, hobbies and interests are a reflection of the system. Your philanthropy honors and upholds the philosophy. And your children do the same. Their companions are preselected or must be approved. This is the way great families operate and those who would be great follow suit. You don't have autonomy. You move within boundaries in a sphere and breaches are costly.

You will sacrifice much in that world. Longings, desires, connections and more. That isn't an environment that everyone could handle. It's easier when you're born into the system. It's all you know.

Everything looks good from the outside but would you do what she did to Charles? Deny the woman he loved and put another in her place. You need a lot of iron to pull that off and the majority don't have it. They're not cut from that cloth.

~bella

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bèlla said:

Most royalists don't care for Harry and Meghan.

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Hans Blaster said:

If they are heredity, then they are not republics. (A republic is a state with a non-hereditary head. It is the opposite of a monarchy.)

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Malleeboy said:

England had an elected monarchy until 1066, Harold Godwinson was elected King by the Witan. He had no blood connection to the previous royal family.
Oliver Cromwell was granted the right to select his own successor as Lord Protector and chose his son, Richard Cromwell. I don't think anyone would hold that the Protectorate was a monarchy.

Monarchs do not have to be hereditary.

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bèlla said:

I'm betting on a clone or divorce

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Whyayeman said:

But not with real money!

HRH the Duchess of Edinburgh has cancer and is undergoing treatment. My guess is that she hates her appearance while undergoing the treatment. A family member had chemotherapy and lost her hair. She was appalled and kept out of the public eye as much as possible until it grew back.

Everybody understands that the princess is one of the most photographed women on Earth. Who can blame her for keeping out of the way of the horde of paparazzis that dog her every step?

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Whyayeman said:

But not with real money!

HRH the Duchess of Edinburgh has cancer and is undergoing treatment. My guess is that she hates her appearance while undergoing the treatment. A family member had chemotherapy and lost her hair. She was appalled and kept out of the public eye as much as possible until it grew back.

Everybody understands that the princess is one of the most photographed women on Earth. Who can blame her for keeping out of the way of the horde of paparazzis that dog her every step?

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bèlla said:

Don't be ridiculous. I won't waste my fiat on foolishness. The pictures were fake and getting images pulled from AP isn't a small feat. That's a C-level decision. CNN calls them untrustworthy and that's laughable but we're in a clown world.

Whether she has cancer or not is immaterial. Their fealty is to William and the narrative they're painting is putting her in a negative light. She'll be left holding the bag. Whether the rumors are true and the Hanbury's are separated and planning to divorce is a mystery. But she was 19 when they married and he was 42. If the equipment hasn't failed it's definitely sputtering viagra or not. We'll see how it plays out. Nevertheless she's one of them and Kate isn't and that's her greatest weakness.

That's the danger of aspiration and her mother should have known better but she's a fool that's why they're broke. She should have had less lofty aspirations and set her sights on the grandchildren or greats. But she went all in and their humiliation is the end result. Don't play the game if you don't know the rules.

I don't wish ill upon her. There's nothing worse than a silly mother and some aren't blessed with wise parents. But she signed on for a reality you cannot embrace without grooming. If you would be queen you must be conditioned to accept his infidelities. Because he's entitled. You must see your womb in its proper light and find solace in its purpose.

You may never be the love of his life. That's what happens when you marry certain types. Marrying him didn't change her station. He lent his to her. It's a common fallacy for hypergamous types that trips them up. A man who genuinely loved her would never allow her parents financial troubles to go unresolved or become a public spectacle. He'd cover her and them in turn.

William could silence the whispers and allegations in a heartbeat but it's coming from them. She didn't take the pictures or fiddle with photoshop. That was Kensington's doing and who lays that on someone with cancer?

What did Marley say? Is this love?

~bella

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bèlla said:

It's been 151 days and Kate's still missing. Another day another lie. I'm betting on a clone or divorce. I forget how long it takes to make one and not inclined to look it up but most public figures have them.

~bella

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Whyayeman said:

It is clear you know nothing about them.

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