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Why many native speakers can't pronounce "Nuclear" properly?
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<blockquote data-quote="The Liturgist" data-source="post: 77542775" data-attributes="member: 424341"><p>With all due respect, much damage has been done to English and other languages by people presuming to know what is and is not “correct.”</p><p></p><p>In this case you are making an argument from standard phonology, to which I would point out that English phonology was not standardized until relatively recently, and furthermore was standardized differently between the US and Canada on the one hand and the UK, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, etc, on the other. And to a large extent the older standardized British phonology, which was effectively replaced in the US by a new system developed by Daniel Webster, seems to contradict phonic principles, for example, centre makes less phonetic sense than center, but if we look at the phonology of other languages, for example, the Turkic languages, or Hungarian, or Portuguese, the reading of “Nuclear” as “Nukular” with an implied extra syllable becomes much less of an oddity. And for that matter, consider the great oddity that words ending in “ough” pose in the English language. Enough is pronounced Enuf, with an implied consonant, whereas Through is pronounced like Threw, and Thorough rhymes with furrow.</p><p></p><p>It is particularly tempting for a non-English speaker who has learned English on the basis of phonology to pass judgement on forms of English based on apparent contradictions with phonological norms, but a native speaker or one who attains a native level of skill and is well read in English will know that English phonology is spectacularly inconsistent, dialects are spectacularly diverse, there are numerous incidents of dialects inserting syllables or other sounds not indicated phonologically (for example, Canadian raising in words like about), and phonology between languages is even more inconsistent, and while arguably better than most pictographic systems, are still limited and inconsistent, hence the example of the IPA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Liturgist, post: 77542775, member: 424341"] With all due respect, much damage has been done to English and other languages by people presuming to know what is and is not “correct.” In this case you are making an argument from standard phonology, to which I would point out that English phonology was not standardized until relatively recently, and furthermore was standardized differently between the US and Canada on the one hand and the UK, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, etc, on the other. And to a large extent the older standardized British phonology, which was effectively replaced in the US by a new system developed by Daniel Webster, seems to contradict phonic principles, for example, centre makes less phonetic sense than center, but if we look at the phonology of other languages, for example, the Turkic languages, or Hungarian, or Portuguese, the reading of “Nuclear” as “Nukular” with an implied extra syllable becomes much less of an oddity. And for that matter, consider the great oddity that words ending in “ough” pose in the English language. Enough is pronounced Enuf, with an implied consonant, whereas Through is pronounced like Threw, and Thorough rhymes with furrow. It is particularly tempting for a non-English speaker who has learned English on the basis of phonology to pass judgement on forms of English based on apparent contradictions with phonological norms, but a native speaker or one who attains a native level of skill and is well read in English will know that English phonology is spectacularly inconsistent, dialects are spectacularly diverse, there are numerous incidents of dialects inserting syllables or other sounds not indicated phonologically (for example, Canadian raising in words like about), and phonology between languages is even more inconsistent, and while arguably better than most pictographic systems, are still limited and inconsistent, hence the example of the IPA. [/QUOTE]
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