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Why Abrahm from Ur? Why not Imotep from Egypt or Hwai Do from China?
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<blockquote data-quote="Pavel Mosko" data-source="post: 76874045" data-attributes="member: 391518"><p>Well there are a few big topics of importance that I see.</p><p></p><p></p><p>1) The first one is the notion of proto monotheistic Faith existing before Judaism. I believe the Bible strongly implies actually suggests this in various ways, starting in the book of Genesis with not just Adam and Even, Cain and Abel but the other antediluvian patriarchs like Seth, Enoch, into the ones after the flood, to Abraham etc.</p><p></p><p>I tend to see Balaam before "his fall" as fitting in this. Other people see him as "being a pagan", but the Bible speaks very highly of him before he was tempted by Balak.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>2) Besides their is the aspect of the Bible using the iconography, tropes etc. of those other older pagan cultures and basically baptizing them as a means to tell the story of Yahew. I especially like the work of Michael Heiser on this issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>3) Besides this there is an idea I have that I call <strong><span style="color: #ff0000">"What Comes Around Goes around"</span>,</strong> probably the best example of that is this one Christmas time blog post I wrote a few years back.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #006633">Contemplating the Coming of the Magi</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">Sometimes we Christians like to divide the World into neat little categories. We like to have “believer" and "unbeliever", "Christian" and "non-Christian" and so forth Sometimes however real life doesn’t conform to such simplistic thinking. Because in the Gospels for example "Those outside Israel" sometimes could be "Close to the Kingdom of God", while those that were of natural Israel and devoutly practiced the old religion had "hearts that are far from God".</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">A good example of that is the coming of the Magi in the gospels. Those folks were mostly likely Zoroastrians from the region of Nineveh, (if we take the testimony of later Church historians seriously). These people had a close connection to the Jews during the first time of Exile. Some people think of Zoroastrians as "pagans" but they really have more in common with Monotheists in their beliefs than the other people of the pagan world. When we think about them we should realize that in the early Scriptures not all the people of God came directly from Abraham's line. Every so often we encounter someone like Melchizedek or Job. Even Balam the prophet, before he became corrupt was seen as being a "prophet of God".</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">When we contemplate the Magi, we should not forget that Abraham himself came from their region a few millennia previously. In fact, the name Hebrew is said to derive from this culture. It comes from an ancient Akkadian or Proto-Aramaic word meaning “They that dwell beyond the River” (Euphrates).</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">We therefore should not be surprised why the events recorded in the Book of Jonah take place. We have sayings “what comes around goes around”. And that certainly is true with the Kingdom of God itself. Or as scripture says, in Ecclesiastes 11: 11 “Cast your bread upon the waters, for you will find it after many days.”</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">God who stands beyond Time itself knows all things. Besides being the place where the ancient Hebrews came from, he also knew it as a place that held great future promise for Christianity.</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">Isaiah 19: 23In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. This is one of those prophesies that already has been at least partially fulfilled. For the Coptic Christians and Syriac Orthodox Christians have been worshiping Christ and been in Communion with each other for nearly two millennia.</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">It was the place that saint Thaddeus (aka Jude the apostle) later missionized and turned into an Apostolic See that stretched forth all the way to India and China, which lasted until the late middle ages and continues today (although greatly diminished). Besides that, this region has been the home of great saints like Isaac of Nineveh (Saint Isaac the Syrian).</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006633">It is of course this same region and the Christians that dwell therein that very much need our prayers. For they struggle everyday against persecution and genocide by Islamic Fundamentalist groups like ISIS.</span></p><p><span style="color: #006633"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pavel Mosko, post: 76874045, member: 391518"] Well there are a few big topics of importance that I see. 1) The first one is the notion of proto monotheistic Faith existing before Judaism. I believe the Bible strongly implies actually suggests this in various ways, starting in the book of Genesis with not just Adam and Even, Cain and Abel but the other antediluvian patriarchs like Seth, Enoch, into the ones after the flood, to Abraham etc. I tend to see Balaam before "his fall" as fitting in this. Other people see him as "being a pagan", but the Bible speaks very highly of him before he was tempted by Balak. 2) Besides their is the aspect of the Bible using the iconography, tropes etc. of those other older pagan cultures and basically baptizing them as a means to tell the story of Yahew. I especially like the work of Michael Heiser on this issue. 3) Besides this there is an idea I have that I call [B][COLOR=#ff0000]"What Comes Around Goes around"[/COLOR],[/B] probably the best example of that is this one Christmas time blog post I wrote a few years back. [COLOR=#006633]Contemplating the Coming of the Magi Sometimes we Christians like to divide the World into neat little categories. We like to have “believer" and "unbeliever", "Christian" and "non-Christian" and so forth Sometimes however real life doesn’t conform to such simplistic thinking. Because in the Gospels for example "Those outside Israel" sometimes could be "Close to the Kingdom of God", while those that were of natural Israel and devoutly practiced the old religion had "hearts that are far from God". A good example of that is the coming of the Magi in the gospels. Those folks were mostly likely Zoroastrians from the region of Nineveh, (if we take the testimony of later Church historians seriously). These people had a close connection to the Jews during the first time of Exile. Some people think of Zoroastrians as "pagans" but they really have more in common with Monotheists in their beliefs than the other people of the pagan world. When we think about them we should realize that in the early Scriptures not all the people of God came directly from Abraham's line. Every so often we encounter someone like Melchizedek or Job. Even Balam the prophet, before he became corrupt was seen as being a "prophet of God". When we contemplate the Magi, we should not forget that Abraham himself came from their region a few millennia previously. In fact, the name Hebrew is said to derive from this culture. It comes from an ancient Akkadian or Proto-Aramaic word meaning “They that dwell beyond the River” (Euphrates). We therefore should not be surprised why the events recorded in the Book of Jonah take place. We have sayings “what comes around goes around”. And that certainly is true with the Kingdom of God itself. Or as scripture says, in Ecclesiastes 11: 11 “Cast your bread upon the waters, for you will find it after many days.” God who stands beyond Time itself knows all things. Besides being the place where the ancient Hebrews came from, he also knew it as a place that held great future promise for Christianity. Isaiah 19: 23In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. This is one of those prophesies that already has been at least partially fulfilled. For the Coptic Christians and Syriac Orthodox Christians have been worshiping Christ and been in Communion with each other for nearly two millennia. It was the place that saint Thaddeus (aka Jude the apostle) later missionized and turned into an Apostolic See that stretched forth all the way to India and China, which lasted until the late middle ages and continues today (although greatly diminished). Besides that, this region has been the home of great saints like Isaac of Nineveh (Saint Isaac the Syrian). It is of course this same region and the Christians that dwell therein that very much need our prayers. For they struggle everyday against persecution and genocide by Islamic Fundamentalist groups like ISIS. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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