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<blockquote data-quote="FredVB" data-source="post: 74990923" data-attributes="member: 259043"><p>This is just all wrong. All of it. Eggs and dairy are not even healthy, those industries cannot even claim it with basis. And optimal health does not depend on animal products. There is not mere survival without animal products, people thrive without those. Anyone should get vitamin B12 supplements if they just get store bought food, it is too easy to not get enough otherwise, whether having animal products or not. This vitamin is only produced from some soil bacteria, animals and people can get the vitamin from food they get in natural environments, but any of the bacteria for it or the vitamin are missing from what animals used in the industry are fed.</p><p></p><p>In the Bible, no one was permitted meat from animals until after the global flood over fifteen hundred years after the first human people were cast away from the garden of Eden, though some wicked people probably started having meat when sacrifices of animals were happening.</p><p></p><p>I recently found this site I just came across, <a href="https://www.peta.org/living/food/himalayan-tribe-vegan-5000-years/" target="_blank">A Vegan Himalayan Tribe Has Existed for 5,000 Years | PETA</a>.</p><p></p><p>Using marketed animal products is much worse, with animal agriculture being very destructive to the natural world and the global climate, and its use of a lot more resources.</p><p></p><p>God did not create sentient animal creatures in this world to just use as food continuously, they desire to live too, and feel and have terror of their oncoming death, use of food from them is NOT better for our health, and it is using a lot more resources and is worse for the environment. It simply is not according to the perfect will of God and God is not intending for use of animals for food to last, there are scriptures showing this and none showing it was to keep continuing.</p><p></p><p>See <a href="http://www.forksoverknives.com" target="_blank">www.forksoverknives.com</a>,</p><p><a href="https://www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/vegan-diet-helps-environmental-sustainability/#gs.5r0e9t" target="_blank">Plant-Based Diets and Environmental Sustainability</a>.</p><p></p><p>Modern pioneers like T. Colin Cambell, PhD; Caldwell Esselstyn, MD; Dean Ornish, MD; John McDougall, MD; Neal Barnard, MD; and others are leading the charge. Thanks to these doctors and researchers, along with an emerging body of scientific evidence from all corners, we now know that a whole-food, plant-based diet is more powerful at preventing and treating chronic diseases than any medication or procedure. We are so convinced by the evidence that we believe if this diet came in a pill, it would be heralded on the front pages of newspapers and magazines around the world for its effectiveness.</p><p></p><p>Here are just a few of the significant life-changing results you may expect:</p><p></p><p>Prevent and reverse the leading chronic ailments. A whole-food, plant-based diet can prevent, halt, and even reverse heart disease and diabetes. Other diseases that are also positively impacted by this type of diet include: high cholesterol, high blood pressure, obesity, and overall mortality. Cancer is also significantly affected by this diet. In fact, the foods that make up this diet are the exact same foods that were recommended in the first "surviving cancer" dietary recommendations. There is also evidence that a plant-based diet may reduce the risk of diverticular disease, gallstones, rheumatoid arthritis, gout, and kidney disease. Furthermore, after switching to a plant-based diet, people routinely report experiencing or seeing in others improvements in a range of ailments, including osteoporosis, arthritis, headaches, acne, asthma, sexual dysfunction, reflux, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, constipation, irritable bowel syndrome, dementia, Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, infertility, insomnia, and sleep apnea. They even find themselves experiencing fewer or less intense colds, viruses, and allergies.</p><p></p><p>Reach your ideal weight. Our friend Doug Lisle likes to point out that humans and their domesticated pets are the only earthly creatures that suffer from being overweight and obese ... in spite of the fact that we're also the only creatures who practice portion control! Why is this the case? It's simple. All the other animals on earth are eating foods that are appropriate for their species. If we also eat foods that are appropriate for our species -- whole, plant-based foods -- then we, too, will be able to eat without portion control and will naturally reach a comfortable weight.</p><p></p><p>Improve mental clarity Eating a whole-food, plant-based diet improves cognitive function and protects against dementia and Alzheimer's disease. Most people experience greater clarity of thought, improved ability to concentrate, and better memory.</p><p></p><p>Experience only positive effects, not "side effects". These can include better mood, sounder sleep, improved bowel function, and more vibrant skin. You will have more energy to do the things you love, like playing with your children or grandchildren, biking, gardening, walking, swimming. You may even want to exercise more. By contrast, medical procedures and medications can have all sorts of major unintended negative consequences.</p><p></p><p>Quoted from Forks Over Knives Plan.</p><p></p><p>Why do you and others who are surely not vegan or vegetarian come post on this thread, which is just for vegans and vegetarians, in the forum for them? You are just here to post your information that will be contrary, and you are not welcome here to do that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FredVB, post: 74990923, member: 259043"] This is just all wrong. All of it. Eggs and dairy are not even healthy, those industries cannot even claim it with basis. And optimal health does not depend on animal products. There is not mere survival without animal products, people thrive without those. Anyone should get vitamin B12 supplements if they just get store bought food, it is too easy to not get enough otherwise, whether having animal products or not. This vitamin is only produced from some soil bacteria, animals and people can get the vitamin from food they get in natural environments, but any of the bacteria for it or the vitamin are missing from what animals used in the industry are fed. In the Bible, no one was permitted meat from animals until after the global flood over fifteen hundred years after the first human people were cast away from the garden of Eden, though some wicked people probably started having meat when sacrifices of animals were happening. I recently found this site I just came across, [URL="https://www.peta.org/living/food/himalayan-tribe-vegan-5000-years/"]A Vegan Himalayan Tribe Has Existed for 5,000 Years | PETA[/URL]. Using marketed animal products is much worse, with animal agriculture being very destructive to the natural world and the global climate, and its use of a lot more resources. God did not create sentient animal creatures in this world to just use as food continuously, they desire to live too, and feel and have terror of their oncoming death, use of food from them is NOT better for our health, and it is using a lot more resources and is worse for the environment. It simply is not according to the perfect will of God and God is not intending for use of animals for food to last, there are scriptures showing this and none showing it was to keep continuing. See [URL="http://www.forksoverknives.com"]www.forksoverknives.com[/URL], [URL="https://www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/vegan-diet-helps-environmental-sustainability/#gs.5r0e9t"]Plant-Based Diets and Environmental Sustainability[/URL]. Modern pioneers like T. Colin Cambell, PhD; Caldwell Esselstyn, MD; Dean Ornish, MD; John McDougall, MD; Neal Barnard, MD; and others are leading the charge. Thanks to these doctors and researchers, along with an emerging body of scientific evidence from all corners, we now know that a whole-food, plant-based diet is more powerful at preventing and treating chronic diseases than any medication or procedure. We are so convinced by the evidence that we believe if this diet came in a pill, it would be heralded on the front pages of newspapers and magazines around the world for its effectiveness. Here are just a few of the significant life-changing results you may expect: Prevent and reverse the leading chronic ailments. A whole-food, plant-based diet can prevent, halt, and even reverse heart disease and diabetes. Other diseases that are also positively impacted by this type of diet include: high cholesterol, high blood pressure, obesity, and overall mortality. Cancer is also significantly affected by this diet. In fact, the foods that make up this diet are the exact same foods that were recommended in the first "surviving cancer" dietary recommendations. There is also evidence that a plant-based diet may reduce the risk of diverticular disease, gallstones, rheumatoid arthritis, gout, and kidney disease. Furthermore, after switching to a plant-based diet, people routinely report experiencing or seeing in others improvements in a range of ailments, including osteoporosis, arthritis, headaches, acne, asthma, sexual dysfunction, reflux, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, constipation, irritable bowel syndrome, dementia, Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, infertility, insomnia, and sleep apnea. They even find themselves experiencing fewer or less intense colds, viruses, and allergies. Reach your ideal weight. Our friend Doug Lisle likes to point out that humans and their domesticated pets are the only earthly creatures that suffer from being overweight and obese ... in spite of the fact that we're also the only creatures who practice portion control! Why is this the case? It's simple. All the other animals on earth are eating foods that are appropriate for their species. If we also eat foods that are appropriate for our species -- whole, plant-based foods -- then we, too, will be able to eat without portion control and will naturally reach a comfortable weight. Improve mental clarity Eating a whole-food, plant-based diet improves cognitive function and protects against dementia and Alzheimer's disease. Most people experience greater clarity of thought, improved ability to concentrate, and better memory. Experience only positive effects, not "side effects". These can include better mood, sounder sleep, improved bowel function, and more vibrant skin. You will have more energy to do the things you love, like playing with your children or grandchildren, biking, gardening, walking, swimming. You may even want to exercise more. By contrast, medical procedures and medications can have all sorts of major unintended negative consequences. Quoted from Forks Over Knives Plan. Why do you and others who are surely not vegan or vegetarian come post on this thread, which is just for vegans and vegetarians, in the forum for them? You are just here to post your information that will be contrary, and you are not welcome here to do that. [/QUOTE]
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