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Voyager 1 transmitting data again after NASA remotely fixes 46-year-old probe
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<blockquote data-quote="SelfSim" data-source="post: 77655162" data-attributes="member: 354922"><p>Hypothetical predictions, (or<em> 'sound reasons'</em>), for the existence of ETI, are no more than restatements of the evolutionary pathway of our own intelligence. From the mass of evidence taken from the backdrop of the evolutionary history of Earth's biosphere, we also know that the specific pathway which leads to human intelligence, is unique within that biosphere's evolution.</p><p>Predictions (or <em>'sound reasons'</em>) about existence, or otherwise, on top of that, adds no new, useful (or objective) information about ETI.</p><p></p><p>Lacking the relevant data for the existence of ETI, is a demonstrable <em><u>fact</u>.</em> No such data has ever been collected.</p><p>Reasoning soundly from that, leads to objectively gathering and organising relevant data as we encounter it, whilst deliberately not treating that data from the viewpoint of reinforcing the <em><u>belief</u></em> of <em>'assessing the probability that they do'.</em></p><p></p><p>I'm pretty sure that the human mind can't be completely free from beliefs, (though, with full disclosure here; I wouldn't even have a clue about how to demonstrate that, myself).</p><p>The aim is to be clear about <em><u>the basis</u></em> of such predictions, (or<em> 'sound reasons'),</em> leading to inferences of: <em>'existing, true, must exist, must have existed, likely, probable, (etc)'</em>. That basis, is just (lazily)<em> believing</em> it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SelfSim, post: 77655162, member: 354922"] Hypothetical predictions, (or[I] 'sound reasons'[/I]), for the existence of ETI, are no more than restatements of the evolutionary pathway of our own intelligence. From the mass of evidence taken from the backdrop of the evolutionary history of Earth's biosphere, we also know that the specific pathway which leads to human intelligence, is unique within that biosphere's evolution. Predictions (or [I]'sound reasons'[/I]) about existence, or otherwise, on top of that, adds no new, useful (or objective) information about ETI. Lacking the relevant data for the existence of ETI, is a demonstrable [I][U]fact[/U].[/I] No such data has ever been collected. Reasoning soundly from that, leads to objectively gathering and organising relevant data as we encounter it, whilst deliberately not treating that data from the viewpoint of reinforcing the [I][U]belief[/U][/I] of [I]'assessing the probability that they do'.[/I] I'm pretty sure that the human mind can't be completely free from beliefs, (though, with full disclosure here; I wouldn't even have a clue about how to demonstrate that, myself). The aim is to be clear about [I][U]the basis[/U][/I] of such predictions, (or[I] 'sound reasons'),[/I] leading to inferences of: [I]'existing, true, must exist, must have existed, likely, probable, (etc)'[/I]. That basis, is just (lazily)[I] believing[/I] it. [/QUOTE]
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