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Ukrainian assault boats ‘destroyed’ & Moscow threatens to target ‘Western weapons’
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<blockquote data-quote="7thKeeper" data-source="post: 77655557" data-attributes="member: 154764"><p>So instead of just telling what we actually know that happened, you just post the Russian version of events? We don't know if the Ukrainians surrendered after the first shot, that's the Russian claim. Which is a bit hard to take seriously as the island was captured after air and naval bombardment that leveled the infrastructure of the island. Hardly something that would need to happen if the defenders had surrendered after 1 shot.</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah, propaganda piece at the start of the war to keep up morale.</p><p></p><p>Now this isn't a fairytale as you claim, as no one has really gone beyond accusations on this. Russia blowing it up would make sense, with some of their ships also in the area at the time and their ability to send something down the pipe as well. Simple thing is that you claiming its the Americans is unfounded. We don't know for sure who did it. Russians did have the capability and the motivation to do so. Americans, no real motivation to do anything to it at that point.</p><p></p><p>Now this case was clearly caused by the Russians, it was physically impossible for anyone elsse to have done it. The explosion came from inside the dam and only Russians at that time would have been able to get inside there. The destruction itself was most likely unintended, but Russia was the blame for it. They simply effed up. So not a good example, actually a horrible example as it shows the exact opposite.</p><p></p><p>Russian missiles have gone through Polish airspace a few times already. And this one case is where it was an S-300 that tried to intercept a Russian missile and failed to self destruct. Both sides were using them and of course both sides are going to blame the other for that kind of an "oopsie".</p><p></p><p>You complain about "quoting" Zelensky without checking, yet a good amount of your claims here are also Putin's claims without you checking them out. </p><p>So... You're exactly the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="7thKeeper, post: 77655557, member: 154764"] So instead of just telling what we actually know that happened, you just post the Russian version of events? We don't know if the Ukrainians surrendered after the first shot, that's the Russian claim. Which is a bit hard to take seriously as the island was captured after air and naval bombardment that leveled the infrastructure of the island. Hardly something that would need to happen if the defenders had surrendered after 1 shot. Oh yeah, propaganda piece at the start of the war to keep up morale. Now this isn't a fairytale as you claim, as no one has really gone beyond accusations on this. Russia blowing it up would make sense, with some of their ships also in the area at the time and their ability to send something down the pipe as well. Simple thing is that you claiming its the Americans is unfounded. We don't know for sure who did it. Russians did have the capability and the motivation to do so. Americans, no real motivation to do anything to it at that point. Now this case was clearly caused by the Russians, it was physically impossible for anyone elsse to have done it. The explosion came from inside the dam and only Russians at that time would have been able to get inside there. The destruction itself was most likely unintended, but Russia was the blame for it. They simply effed up. So not a good example, actually a horrible example as it shows the exact opposite. Russian missiles have gone through Polish airspace a few times already. And this one case is where it was an S-300 that tried to intercept a Russian missile and failed to self destruct. Both sides were using them and of course both sides are going to blame the other for that kind of an "oopsie". You complain about "quoting" Zelensky without checking, yet a good amount of your claims here are also Putin's claims without you checking them out. So... You're exactly the same. [/QUOTE]
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