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<blockquote data-quote="JSRG" data-source="post: 77657941" data-attributes="member: 418772"><p>You refer to the Green Party, so let's go with that. The Green Party <em>does</em> win local elections. Maybe not a whole lot, but there are currently <a href="https://www.gpelections.org/greens-in-office/" target="_blank">137 Green Party members who were elected</a> (there's 144 in office, but 6 of those joined the party after their election and 1 was appointed). People act like third parties <em>only</em> run for presidential election, and while that's true for some, others do run a bunch more local candidates.</p><p></p><p>But again the argument is made that if they win, this will (somehow) "springboard" to higher offices, despite no one being able to offer any evidence that this kind of bottom-up campaigning works; you say "it definitely can be done" but don't offer indications of how this is possible. Suppose you win a mayorship in a small town (you're sure not going to win it in a larger one). How does that get you to something larger, like winning a state legislature seat, let alone things like governor? At least "run people for President and other large offices to get attention to the party, which can lead to more votes and attention, causing a growth in popularity, allowing you to repeat this only more successfully and also get people who are willing to run for local office along the way, gaining more popularity, and so on until we're a major force and can win tougher offices" has some kind of logic to it and seems to be paying dividends, even if it's extremely slowly (I can say the main way <em>I</em> learn about third parties is through their presidential candidates). "Win a mayor or legislature seat somehow, and that will lead to higher offices somehow" doesn't seem to have much logic to it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JSRG, post: 77657941, member: 418772"] You refer to the Green Party, so let's go with that. The Green Party [I]does[/I] win local elections. Maybe not a whole lot, but there are currently [URL='https://www.gpelections.org/greens-in-office/']137 Green Party members who were elected[/URL] (there's 144 in office, but 6 of those joined the party after their election and 1 was appointed). People act like third parties [I]only[/I] run for presidential election, and while that's true for some, others do run a bunch more local candidates. But again the argument is made that if they win, this will (somehow) "springboard" to higher offices, despite no one being able to offer any evidence that this kind of bottom-up campaigning works; you say "it definitely can be done" but don't offer indications of how this is possible. Suppose you win a mayorship in a small town (you're sure not going to win it in a larger one). How does that get you to something larger, like winning a state legislature seat, let alone things like governor? At least "run people for President and other large offices to get attention to the party, which can lead to more votes and attention, causing a growth in popularity, allowing you to repeat this only more successfully and also get people who are willing to run for local office along the way, gaining more popularity, and so on until we're a major force and can win tougher offices" has some kind of logic to it and seems to be paying dividends, even if it's extremely slowly (I can say the main way [I]I[/I] learn about third parties is through their presidential candidates). "Win a mayor or legislature seat somehow, and that will lead to higher offices somehow" doesn't seem to have much logic to it. [/QUOTE]
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