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<blockquote data-quote="stevil" data-source="post: 77617963" data-attributes="member: 277368"><p>We don't update reality into a new reality. Our amazing scientists update their models of reality, our understanding of the reality that is.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not reasonable to think it is possible to have a mind without a brain, a mind made of either nothing or supernatural material, that is seperate from the body, that continues to exist even when the body dies. It is not reasonable to think it possible to have a mind that existed before SpaceTime, before energy, before matter. There is no evidence of any supernatural substance or realm, there is no evidence that a mind is anything other than the workings of the physical brain. As we know, a mind can only be inside a specific brain and can only affect the body that has that brain. When a brain is injured, the mind can go, it can go into cognitive decline when the parietal lobe deteriorates, it can have long term memory issues, etc, etc. To put this as a possibility on the table, you need to find some evidence suggesting this could be the case.</p><p>Discover the supernatural realm, find a testable, falsifiable, recreatable test that proves this realm exists. Find a test where the mind can affect something without having to just affect a brain which that mind is the mind of. E.G get a person to think really hard and will a lightbulb to glow, or will a tap to turn or will a spoon into existence <poof> there it is, or use their mind to read someone else's memories or control someone else's body. Any of these things would be proof that there is something to what you are claiming and would need further investigation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>At the moment your claim is just imaginative fantasy.</p><p>It is a very poorly thought out claim. </p><p>You are not telling us what the mind is, what it is made of, and what plane of existence it lives in.</p><p>You are not telling us how a specific mind becomes bonded to a specific brain</p><p>You are not telling us why minds get bonded to brains</p><p>You are not telling us why minds are completely constrained to only be able to affect a brain.</p><p>You are not telling us how minds come to exist</p><p>You are not telling us what happens to a mind after the body dies.</p><p>You are not telling us how a mind can alter reality, other than control the person's brain.</p><p></p><p>The only evidence you present is the double slit experiment or the schrodenger's cat thought experiment. </p><p>In the realm of quantum physics when things are so small, you cannot observe them without altering them. You don't alter them with your mind, you alter them with the apparatus used to observe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevil, post: 77617963, member: 277368"] We don't update reality into a new reality. Our amazing scientists update their models of reality, our understanding of the reality that is. It is not reasonable to think it is possible to have a mind without a brain, a mind made of either nothing or supernatural material, that is seperate from the body, that continues to exist even when the body dies. It is not reasonable to think it possible to have a mind that existed before SpaceTime, before energy, before matter. There is no evidence of any supernatural substance or realm, there is no evidence that a mind is anything other than the workings of the physical brain. As we know, a mind can only be inside a specific brain and can only affect the body that has that brain. When a brain is injured, the mind can go, it can go into cognitive decline when the parietal lobe deteriorates, it can have long term memory issues, etc, etc. To put this as a possibility on the table, you need to find some evidence suggesting this could be the case. Discover the supernatural realm, find a testable, falsifiable, recreatable test that proves this realm exists. Find a test where the mind can affect something without having to just affect a brain which that mind is the mind of. E.G get a person to think really hard and will a lightbulb to glow, or will a tap to turn or will a spoon into existence <poof> there it is, or use their mind to read someone else's memories or control someone else's body. Any of these things would be proof that there is something to what you are claiming and would need further investigation. At the moment your claim is just imaginative fantasy. It is a very poorly thought out claim. You are not telling us what the mind is, what it is made of, and what plane of existence it lives in. You are not telling us how a specific mind becomes bonded to a specific brain You are not telling us why minds get bonded to brains You are not telling us why minds are completely constrained to only be able to affect a brain. You are not telling us how minds come to exist You are not telling us what happens to a mind after the body dies. You are not telling us how a mind can alter reality, other than control the person's brain. The only evidence you present is the double slit experiment or the schrodenger's cat thought experiment. In the realm of quantum physics when things are so small, you cannot observe them without altering them. You don't alter them with your mind, you alter them with the apparatus used to observe. [/QUOTE]
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