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<blockquote data-quote="Ophiolite" data-source="post: 77603345" data-attributes="member: 234799"><p>Obviously, if your premise is that "abiogenesis is theoretically and scientifically impossible" then it must follow that "you cannot have life come from inorganic, abiotic matter."</p><p>Unfortunately for your argument abiogenesis is not only scientifically and theoretically possible, but we are moving from identifying plausible pathways by which it might occur, to delineating specific reactions within those pathways. By all means go ahead and demonstrate why any of those plausible pathways is impossible, or the specific reactions irrelevant. I will consider your attempt at debunking with an open mind.</p><p></p><p>No scientist I am aware of proposes that the universe exploded, that it did so cataclysmically, or that this happened trillions of years ago. If you are going to attack scientific theories it would be a good idea to know something about those theories, else you are likely to appear rather foolish.</p><p>Matter and energy are interchangeable. Energy does not create matter, but it can transform into matter. </p><p>Life can arise through the interaction of matter and energy. No creation is involved.</p><p></p><p>An ancestor is a once living organism that I am descended from. Rocks are not living, consequently I cannot have a rock as an ancestor. </p><p></p><p>If I search google scholar for "energy particle" I get over 89,000 hits. If I search it for "empty energy particle" I get zero hits. If you wish to discuss science you need to make some effort to use an appropriate vocabulary. </p><p></p><p>Overall, I fear a D- would be generous.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ophiolite, post: 77603345, member: 234799"] Obviously, if your premise is that "abiogenesis is theoretically and scientifically impossible" then it must follow that "you cannot have life come from inorganic, abiotic matter." Unfortunately for your argument abiogenesis is not only scientifically and theoretically possible, but we are moving from identifying plausible pathways by which it might occur, to delineating specific reactions within those pathways. By all means go ahead and demonstrate why any of those plausible pathways is impossible, or the specific reactions irrelevant. I will consider your attempt at debunking with an open mind. No scientist I am aware of proposes that the universe exploded, that it did so cataclysmically, or that this happened trillions of years ago. If you are going to attack scientific theories it would be a good idea to know something about those theories, else you are likely to appear rather foolish. Matter and energy are interchangeable. Energy does not create matter, but it can transform into matter. Life can arise through the interaction of matter and energy. No creation is involved. An ancestor is a once living organism that I am descended from. Rocks are not living, consequently I cannot have a rock as an ancestor. If I search google scholar for "energy particle" I get over 89,000 hits. If I search it for "empty energy particle" I get zero hits. If you wish to discuss science you need to make some effort to use an appropriate vocabulary. Overall, I fear a D- would be generous. [/QUOTE]
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