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<blockquote data-quote="doubtingmerle" data-source="post: 76731018" data-attributes="member: 6687"><p>Ah, so we meet in passing. Nice to meet you.</p><p></p><p>By the way, if what you say is true, then you would be the first former staunch atheist I met who is now a creationist.</p><p></p><p>I am not saying it is impossible. I am just saying I have not yet met such a person. So I hope you don't mind if I admit to some skepticism of your claim.</p><p></p><p>Can you tell us what arguments had convinced you to become a staunch atheist that lauded evolution? What books or other sources influenced you? What organizations were you involved in?</p><p></p><p>You do understand that childhood naivete and teenage apathy are not the same as staunch atheism, yes?</p><p></p><p>As for me I had become a staunch creationist after reading <em>The Genesis Flood</em> by Henry Morris, and after hearing debates by Duane Gish. Also, as I mention in the OP, the book <em>Evolution: A Theory in Crisis </em>was also a primary source.</p><p></p><p>In the OP I mention some of the specific creationist arguments I found impressive.</p><p></p><p>And no, my creationism was not simply childhood naivete or teenage apathy. A former debate partner writes about me:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px">He was something that you almost never see: an honest creationist. He argued on CompuServe for young-earth creationism and was one of its better, more coherent advocates. While most creationists would just make their claims and then refuse to support or discuss them...Merle would make the effort to support his claims and to engage in discussion. A real rarity among creationists. <a href="http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/links.html" target="_blank">Source</a></p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I am sure you will agree with me that some people claim to be hearing from God and they are not. So I do not find "God spoke to me" to be a convincing argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you aware of the magnitude of the evidence for evolution? In the OP, I describe being overwhelmed by the evidence.</p><p></p><p>Yes, you might find a few cases of fraud, poor reasoning, or misinterpretation. But all of it? Be serious.</p><p></p><p>If all of this is fraud, that is like telling me I am on <em>The Truman Show; that</em> one day I will find the door leading off the stage; and that I will learn that all of science was one huge effort to fool me. Then we can all go have a beer together and laugh at how the thousands of research papers fooled me. Right?</p><p></p><p>Wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Read the OP, please. I discuss why the transitional fossils are so important.</p><p></p><p>I can't understand how you could have been a staunch defender of evolution, and not realize that nobody is claiming to find "a complete A to Z roadmap of an entire creature's transition perfectly laid out".</p><p></p><p>That would like me complaining that Creationism is not true, for storks couldn't possibly be bringing all the babies to the hospital. If I was making such straw man arguments, I suspect you would shake your head in sorrow and doubt my creationist credentials.</p><p> </p><p>Evolutionists are emphatic, that, though the fossil record is imperfect, it still gives strong evidence of what happened. I am curious how a former staunch evolutionist would not know that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doubtingmerle, post: 76731018, member: 6687"] Ah, so we meet in passing. Nice to meet you. By the way, if what you say is true, then you would be the first former staunch atheist I met who is now a creationist. I am not saying it is impossible. I am just saying I have not yet met such a person. So I hope you don't mind if I admit to some skepticism of your claim. Can you tell us what arguments had convinced you to become a staunch atheist that lauded evolution? What books or other sources influenced you? What organizations were you involved in? You do understand that childhood naivete and teenage apathy are not the same as staunch atheism, yes? As for me I had become a staunch creationist after reading [I]The Genesis Flood[/I] by Henry Morris, and after hearing debates by Duane Gish. Also, as I mention in the OP, the book [I]Evolution: A Theory in Crisis [/I]was also a primary source. In the OP I mention some of the specific creationist arguments I found impressive. And no, my creationism was not simply childhood naivete or teenage apathy. A former debate partner writes about me: [INDENT][INDENT]He was something that you almost never see: an honest creationist. He argued on CompuServe for young-earth creationism and was one of its better, more coherent advocates. While most creationists would just make their claims and then refuse to support or discuss them...Merle would make the effort to support his claims and to engage in discussion. A real rarity among creationists. [URL='http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/links.html']Source[/URL][/INDENT][/INDENT] I am sure you will agree with me that some people claim to be hearing from God and they are not. So I do not find "God spoke to me" to be a convincing argument. Are you aware of the magnitude of the evidence for evolution? In the OP, I describe being overwhelmed by the evidence. Yes, you might find a few cases of fraud, poor reasoning, or misinterpretation. But all of it? Be serious. If all of this is fraud, that is like telling me I am on [I]The Truman Show; that[/I] one day I will find the door leading off the stage; and that I will learn that all of science was one huge effort to fool me. Then we can all go have a beer together and laugh at how the thousands of research papers fooled me. Right? Wrong. Read the OP, please. I discuss why the transitional fossils are so important. I can't understand how you could have been a staunch defender of evolution, and not realize that nobody is claiming to find "a complete A to Z roadmap of an entire creature's transition perfectly laid out". That would like me complaining that Creationism is not true, for storks couldn't possibly be bringing all the babies to the hospital. If I was making such straw man arguments, I suspect you would shake your head in sorrow and doubt my creationist credentials. Evolutionists are emphatic, that, though the fossil record is imperfect, it still gives strong evidence of what happened. I am curious how a former staunch evolutionist would not know that. [/QUOTE]
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