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<blockquote data-quote="zippy2006" data-source="post: 77619836" data-attributes="member: 342410"><p>The other interesting question here is whether anyone self-consciously lies in the midst of argument. One could claim that the <em>telos</em> of argument precludes lying, although I don't think that's correct. Yet to deliberately and consciously deceive in the midst of argument would seem to be exceptionally rare.</p><p></p><p>For example, someone could get backed into an intellectual corner and start making really dumb, desperate claims. Are they lying? I would say that they are lying because they know, upon reflection, that their desperate claims are false and yet they assert them anyway. But it is arguable that they are not lying if one conceives of a lie as an especially deliberate and conscious act.</p><p></p><p>(When I said above that "intellectual dishonesty" leads to lies, this is what I had in mind)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zippy2006, post: 77619836, member: 342410"] The other interesting question here is whether anyone self-consciously lies in the midst of argument. One could claim that the [I]telos[/I] of argument precludes lying, although I don't think that's correct. Yet to deliberately and consciously deceive in the midst of argument would seem to be exceptionally rare. For example, someone could get backed into an intellectual corner and start making really dumb, desperate claims. Are they lying? I would say that they are lying because they know, upon reflection, that their desperate claims are false and yet they assert them anyway. But it is arguable that they are not lying if one conceives of a lie as an especially deliberate and conscious act. (When I said above that "intellectual dishonesty" leads to lies, this is what I had in mind) [/QUOTE]
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