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<blockquote data-quote="tdidymas" data-source="post: 77619470" data-attributes="member: 357572"><p>But omitting information isn't a lie. Intentionally speaking false information is a lie, according to the definition.</p><p></p><p>I recently found myself in a similar situation with a high pressure salesman. It's easy for such a person to swindle someone into signing a form by:</p><p>1. Telling all the positives and omitting the negatives. This sets the person up to accept the hype.</p><p>2. Announcing an exorbitant price, and then reducing it by 30%. This causes a person to more readily accept the 2nd high price.</p><p>3. Telling the person they have to sign today, or else they don't get the discount. This sets up the victim for fear of missing out of an opportunity.</p><p>4. Maybe asking the victim a series of questions that require positive answers as a form of emotional agreement.</p><p>5. Perhaps trying to make the victim feel guilty about wasting all the time they spent on the presentation.</p><p>6. Finally warning the person they are missing out of their grand opportunity, to make them feel desperate.</p><p></p><p>Here's how I responded to all that: since I know that I frequently make emotional decisions I later regret, I held firmly to the "NO." He said "what will it take to get you to change your mind?" I said "absolutely nothing." He said, "what if the price was reduced further?" I said "not even then." (because I knew his price was way up there). He said "not even 1000" which was a ludicrous amount. I said "no price that you would accept." He then understood that not only was I firm in my "no," but that I was wise enough to speak about agreement. That ended the conversation.</p><p></p><p>I omitted the fact that I thought the price was exorbitant, even though they had good reasons for it. I omitted the fact that I thought they were manipulative, demanding, and deceptive. But the omissions weren't a lie. I simply said "no," meaning "I don't agree with you," and that was the truth. I wasn't being deceptive, I was being wise.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to high pressure salesmen, they rely on peoples' natural fear of rejection and desire for acceptance. They set people up for an emotional response. I learned early in life that an ultimatum like "sign now or else..." deserves a big fat NO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tdidymas, post: 77619470, member: 357572"] But omitting information isn't a lie. Intentionally speaking false information is a lie, according to the definition. I recently found myself in a similar situation with a high pressure salesman. It's easy for such a person to swindle someone into signing a form by: 1. Telling all the positives and omitting the negatives. This sets the person up to accept the hype. 2. Announcing an exorbitant price, and then reducing it by 30%. This causes a person to more readily accept the 2nd high price. 3. Telling the person they have to sign today, or else they don't get the discount. This sets up the victim for fear of missing out of an opportunity. 4. Maybe asking the victim a series of questions that require positive answers as a form of emotional agreement. 5. Perhaps trying to make the victim feel guilty about wasting all the time they spent on the presentation. 6. Finally warning the person they are missing out of their grand opportunity, to make them feel desperate. Here's how I responded to all that: since I know that I frequently make emotional decisions I later regret, I held firmly to the "NO." He said "what will it take to get you to change your mind?" I said "absolutely nothing." He said, "what if the price was reduced further?" I said "not even then." (because I knew his price was way up there). He said "not even 1000" which was a ludicrous amount. I said "no price that you would accept." He then understood that not only was I firm in my "no," but that I was wise enough to speak about agreement. That ended the conversation. I omitted the fact that I thought the price was exorbitant, even though they had good reasons for it. I omitted the fact that I thought they were manipulative, demanding, and deceptive. But the omissions weren't a lie. I simply said "no," meaning "I don't agree with you," and that was the truth. I wasn't being deceptive, I was being wise. When it comes to high pressure salesmen, they rely on peoples' natural fear of rejection and desire for acceptance. They set people up for an emotional response. I learned early in life that an ultimatum like "sign now or else..." deserves a big fat NO. [/QUOTE]
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