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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77679055" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>Because I define a hierarchy as a relationship of control, then yes, it is inherently controlling, and to the extent that that control is unnecessary or harmful, abusive. </p><p></p><p>I disagree. They very often are controlling in an abusive sense. </p><p></p><p>I have; I have said that any control which is unnecessary or harmful is abusive.</p><p></p><p>At 86 pages of this thread, you have actually supplied a great deal of evidence that you support some beliefs and attitudes which belong to the cluster which underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>But nothing you have provided demonstrates that particular cognitive or psychological states are necessary precursors to abuse. At most, they are more often correlated.</p><p></p><p>Is this control necessary (eg. for the safety of small children)? If no, it's abusive. Is it harmful (including undermining the dignity and agency of the person being controlled)? If yes, it's abusive. </p><p></p><p>It's focussed on what we know now, and what we can actually take action on now. Rather than getting dragged off into whataboutery. </p><p></p><p>The evidence is in the bruises, the welts, the broken bones, the lost teeth, the PTSD of every single person who has ever been abused by someone seeking to preserve their own power and control in a household. The evidence is in every broken life, every instance of lost potential, every human being degraded by someone protecting their place in the household hierarchy. The evidence is in every gravestone of someone killed by their abuser who felt entitled even to their very life. </p><p></p><p>Australian women are losing their lives at the rate of one every four days this year, to men who feel entitled to control them.</p><p></p><p>That's the evidence. This is not hypothetical. We know that abusers feel entitled to positions of power and control, to a hierarchical role, and they will use violence to enforce it. </p><p></p><p>What abuse and violence? Who is getting beaten up because of affirmative action? </p><p></p><p>I did not find your claims at all convincing, and you did not present evidence which clearly demonstrated that these traits drive abuse. (Again, correlation is not causation).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77679055, member: 386627"] Because I define a hierarchy as a relationship of control, then yes, it is inherently controlling, and to the extent that that control is unnecessary or harmful, abusive. I disagree. They very often are controlling in an abusive sense. I have; I have said that any control which is unnecessary or harmful is abusive. At 86 pages of this thread, you have actually supplied a great deal of evidence that you support some beliefs and attitudes which belong to the cluster which underpin abuse. But nothing you have provided demonstrates that particular cognitive or psychological states are necessary precursors to abuse. At most, they are more often correlated. Is this control necessary (eg. for the safety of small children)? If no, it's abusive. Is it harmful (including undermining the dignity and agency of the person being controlled)? If yes, it's abusive. It's focussed on what we know now, and what we can actually take action on now. Rather than getting dragged off into whataboutery. The evidence is in the bruises, the welts, the broken bones, the lost teeth, the PTSD of every single person who has ever been abused by someone seeking to preserve their own power and control in a household. The evidence is in every broken life, every instance of lost potential, every human being degraded by someone protecting their place in the household hierarchy. The evidence is in every gravestone of someone killed by their abuser who felt entitled even to their very life. Australian women are losing their lives at the rate of one every four days this year, to men who feel entitled to control them. That's the evidence. This is not hypothetical. We know that abusers feel entitled to positions of power and control, to a hierarchical role, and they will use violence to enforce it. What abuse and violence? Who is getting beaten up because of affirmative action? I did not find your claims at all convincing, and you did not present evidence which clearly demonstrated that these traits drive abuse. (Again, correlation is not causation). [/QUOTE]
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