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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77676743" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>We don't know which beliefs drive abuse because there are beliefs that drive abuse happening today in society and they are either not being recognised through ignorance or they are being overlooked due to ideological beliefs themselves. </p><p></p><p>But we don't recognise them. Thats the point. </p><p></p><p>I am not talking about beliefs that have already been shown to underpin abuse. I am talking about new beliefs that underpin abuse that may be different to the ones you are talking about. </p><p></p><p>The other problem I see is that even the cluster of beliefs you say underpin abuse can be subjectively determined based on an ideological assumption and belief about how we should order society to achieve the equality and abuse free society. </p><p></p><p>One person may see certain situations that create inequality and control as normal and natural while the other sees it as abusive and controlling. I gave the example of language, words and how some believe certain words are abusive and violence while others see them as reflecting objective reality. </p><p></p><p>Yet it seems ideologues will push the subjective realities over the objective realities as the right kind of beliefs society should have. If objective reality is what we should measure what is right and good as far as who we are and how we get along then the subjective ideologies should be rejected. And yet we find modern society promoting these subjective ideas as how we should measure ourselves and order society. </p><p></p><p>So far this ideology has caused more division, abuse and violence rather than equality and no abuse and violence. So despite the simplistic idea that we can tell which beliefs underpin abuse, we can't always do that and sometimes its belief itself, a new belief which cultivates abuse just like in the past in how those beliefs were cultivated and society thought they were good its happening again and again and happening right now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77676743, member: 342064"] We don't know which beliefs drive abuse because there are beliefs that drive abuse happening today in society and they are either not being recognised through ignorance or they are being overlooked due to ideological beliefs themselves. But we don't recognise them. Thats the point. I am not talking about beliefs that have already been shown to underpin abuse. I am talking about new beliefs that underpin abuse that may be different to the ones you are talking about. The other problem I see is that even the cluster of beliefs you say underpin abuse can be subjectively determined based on an ideological assumption and belief about how we should order society to achieve the equality and abuse free society. One person may see certain situations that create inequality and control as normal and natural while the other sees it as abusive and controlling. I gave the example of language, words and how some believe certain words are abusive and violence while others see them as reflecting objective reality. Yet it seems ideologues will push the subjective realities over the objective realities as the right kind of beliefs society should have. If objective reality is what we should measure what is right and good as far as who we are and how we get along then the subjective ideologies should be rejected. And yet we find modern society promoting these subjective ideas as how we should measure ourselves and order society. So far this ideology has caused more division, abuse and violence rather than equality and no abuse and violence. So despite the simplistic idea that we can tell which beliefs underpin abuse, we can't always do that and sometimes its belief itself, a new belief which cultivates abuse just like in the past in how those beliefs were cultivated and society thought they were good its happening again and again and happening right now. [/QUOTE]
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