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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77655169" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>And as I said, screening, say, new parents with a belief inventory would be a great measure. And much better than stereotyping them based on socioeconomic status or household structure. </p><p></p><p>It's not the situations; it's the ideology of controlling hierarchies and rigid roles which drives their abuse. </p><p></p><p>But these beliefs are about the mindset, the psyche, the beliefs and attitudes. It's not about the ways abuse is expressed (those are as varied as human creativity allows), it's about the beliefs which drive the abuse. </p><p></p><p>I completely disagree. To the degree that they normalise relationships of power and control, they are very much part of the social norms which support an abusive culture. </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it's not legitimate to have law or politics or whatever. I'm saying it's a cultural norm that in all of these areas, there are relationships of power and control, and that this normalises an ideology in which that kind of power and control is acceptable. </p><p></p><p>No, but we modify it to minimise the power and control element. </p><p></p><p>Is this the real fear for you, that if we remove hierarchy from marriage and the family, there will be "chaos"?</p><p></p><p>Much of our conversation is addressing this exact point. I am trying to avoid tedious repetition. </p><p></p><p>Belief may be subjective, but we can still demonstrate which subjective beliefs underpin abuse; which attitudes drive abusive behaviour and are not held by non-abusers. </p><p></p><p>That wasn't the claim for which I asked for evidence. You claimed "The same beliefs in hierarchies and rigid roles can be shown to not be abusive." So where's your evidence that beliefs in hierarchies and rigid roles don't underpin abuse?</p><p></p><p>I find the whole defence of power, control, hierarchy and so on quite distressing, but feel obliged to rebut it, more for the sake of others reading along (if anyone is still persisting with this thread besides us).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77655169, member: 386627"] And as I said, screening, say, new parents with a belief inventory would be a great measure. And much better than stereotyping them based on socioeconomic status or household structure. It's not the situations; it's the ideology of controlling hierarchies and rigid roles which drives their abuse. But these beliefs are about the mindset, the psyche, the beliefs and attitudes. It's not about the ways abuse is expressed (those are as varied as human creativity allows), it's about the beliefs which drive the abuse. I completely disagree. To the degree that they normalise relationships of power and control, they are very much part of the social norms which support an abusive culture. I'm not saying it's not legitimate to have law or politics or whatever. I'm saying it's a cultural norm that in all of these areas, there are relationships of power and control, and that this normalises an ideology in which that kind of power and control is acceptable. No, but we modify it to minimise the power and control element. Is this the real fear for you, that if we remove hierarchy from marriage and the family, there will be "chaos"? Much of our conversation is addressing this exact point. I am trying to avoid tedious repetition. Belief may be subjective, but we can still demonstrate which subjective beliefs underpin abuse; which attitudes drive abusive behaviour and are not held by non-abusers. That wasn't the claim for which I asked for evidence. You claimed "The same beliefs in hierarchies and rigid roles can be shown to not be abusive." So where's your evidence that beliefs in hierarchies and rigid roles don't underpin abuse? I find the whole defence of power, control, hierarchy and so on quite distressing, but feel obliged to rebut it, more for the sake of others reading along (if anyone is still persisting with this thread besides us). [/QUOTE]
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