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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77654620" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>Yes but after the abuse has been committed. We need to know before the abuse is committed. Do you honestly think that abusive, rigid and controlling hierarchies and roles are the only situations abusers will use to abuse. How do we tell the abuse going on outside these two examples. </p><p></p><p>If we can only know which beliefs will lead to abuse after the horse has bolted then we are forecer playing catchup and abuse will happen before we can identify where it happens. </p><p></p><p>We need a clinical measure not of the ways abuse is expressed but rather a psychological profile of the abuser, the mindset, the psyche, the way they see the world as to why they choose to believe in such destructive and dysfunctional stuff. </p><p></p><p>No not all the time and not particularly that often. Put it this way we spot the abusive control say within the law, politics, business, corporations, relationships and families but all these setups are legitimate, natural and normal for society. </p><p></p><p>The law for example, the police command setup, or a company setup is still hierarchal and we still support the structure as a good and normal part about how we should structure society and companies as it works. The abuse happens within these same structures but we don't get rid of the hierarchal structure. </p><p></p><p>We just put measures in place to stop people abusers those positions of power and control. But they are still positions of power and control in a good way that we need to function as a society. Get rid of the chain of command, the power of the law and there will be chaos. </p><p></p><p>This is funny. You give a 3 word reply without any reasoning explaining why "we have" while you cut off my reply into a 3 word reply leaving out my reasoning. Did you do that so you didn't have to give any reasoning to the part you cut out. As I cannot even argue against a 3 word statement that says nothing for me to reason with lol.</p><p></p><p>But no we don't have a ground for beliefs simply because belief is subjective. Tell me a ground and I will say its just a subjective value judgement as you keep saying lol. I can show the same belief you claim is abusive is not abusive. Its all subjective.</p><p></p><p>Its self evident that society forms natural hierarchies. I gave all that evidence earlier. Did you forget. A company forms a natural hierarchy in their mangagement structure. A power and strength hierarchy naturally forms based on varying levels of power and strength with the strongest and most powerful at the top and the weakest at the bottom. </p><p></p><p>Any compentency difference will form a hierarchy for any number of competencies like intellectual, social skills, building and construction, speed, beauty ect. Its natural for humans to value competency and give it varying status within a hierarchal structure or a structure that has levels of varying abilities which then bring differences in outcomes for those within each level.</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>Hierarchy serves as a fundamental structure that underpins the functioning of human societies.</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> Its significance lies in its </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>ability to maintain order, enhance efficiency, allocate resources, foster social cohesion, and facilitate adaptation.</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> Hierarchical systems have been pivotal in shaping the course of human history, and their importance persists to this day. </span></em></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fundamental-structure-human-societies-muhammad-azeem-qureshi/" target="_blank">A Fundamental Structure in Human Societies.</a></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Social hierarchy constitutes a fundamental characteristic prevalent in the majority of existing societies. From the extensive literature regarding hierarchies, there are several important conclusions that can be drawn: (1) </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>social hierarchies are a natural and necessary part of social groups;</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> </span></em><a href="https://medium.com/@STATUSNFT/social-hierarchy-and-why-it-matters-b5b94a581432" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@STATUSNFT/social-hierarchy-and-why-it-matters-b5b94a581432</a></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Social status hierarchies are a </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>fundamental dimension of social life and critical to social system survival</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">, to be sure. The mechanisms of action of social behavior reside in the subconscious mind. </span></em></p><p><a href="https://m-i-t-m.com/social-rank/#:~:text=Social%20status%20hierarchies%20are%20a,control%20of%20your%20hormone%20system" target="_blank">Social Status – Man in the Middle</a>. </p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>“Most social species organize themselves into hierarchies that guide each individual’s behavior,</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">” Researchers know that an area of the brain called the medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) is responsible for representing social rank in mammals;</span></em></p><p><a href="https://www.salk.edu/news-release/how-the-brain-encodes-social-rank-and-winning-mindset/" target="_blank">How the brain encodes social rank and “winning mindset” - Salk Institute for Biological Studies</a></p><p></p><p><strong>Hard-Wired for Hierarchy</strong></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Now, researchers have found evidence that our brains may actually be hard-wired for hierarchy. And in fact, </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>we may be wired to value the "top dog" over the people who rank below us.</strong></span> </em></p><p><a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4712859&page=1#:~:text=Now%2C%20researchers%20have%20found%20evidence,people%20who%20rank%20below%20us" target="_blank">Hard-Wired for Hierarchy</a>.</p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>Social groups identify themselves as a part of the group by immediately self-organising themselves into hierarchies.</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> The hierarchy they exhibit is built on values such as their </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>physical strength, power, influence within the group, skills that matter and the dominance level. </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">As per neural findings, the status has an immense impact on one’s attention, memory, social interactions, and even on their physical and mental health.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Surprisingly </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>social status is realised with the presence of a neural network that looks after emotions, reward processing and execution of responses.</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> Like other non-human primates, humans use cues like physical strength to make status judgements, although on top of these primitive perceptual cues are cues that are developed on the neural level within humans such as literacy, job titles, asset values, etc.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">While we have chemical compounds doing their job, our society plays a big role in how the thoughts about status perception are seeded inside our minds. As we learn to identify people based on their status, dominance, skill and physical strength since the early stage of our neural development it’s quite hard to overlook such learnings. </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>Our brain tends to process every cue that others exhibit and we have a natural affinity for things that match either our subconscious or conscious search.</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong></strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>Assigning ranks and perceiving status cues come with ease for humans and other non-human primates.</strong></span></em> </p><p><a href="https://culture.kissflow.com/the-need-and-inevitable-nature-of-social-hierarchies-c5ec80f8841b" target="_blank">https://culture.kissflow.com/the-need-and-inevitable-nature-of-social-hierarchies-c5ec80f8841b</a></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Now, researchers for the first time have used brain imaging techniques to investigate how people respond to others of higher and lower status. The study suggests that our responses to these </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>hierarchies are</strong></span></em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><em><strong> hard-wired into our brains. </strong></em></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><em>“</em></span> </p><p><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/science-jan-june08-status_04-25" target="_blank">Social Status is Hard-Wired into the Brain, Study Shows</a></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><a href="https://www.ourwatch.org.au/the-issue/" target="_blank">O</a>K I will finish this post hear and have a read of your link. Looks interesting. Sorry for cutting up the posts in replying but I will get back to what I have missed if its relevant. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Thanks for putting up with me lol, only joking. No I like this debate its interesting and its not often that people are willing to engage so much that we can explore things. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77654620, member: 342064"] Yes but after the abuse has been committed. We need to know before the abuse is committed. Do you honestly think that abusive, rigid and controlling hierarchies and roles are the only situations abusers will use to abuse. How do we tell the abuse going on outside these two examples. If we can only know which beliefs will lead to abuse after the horse has bolted then we are forecer playing catchup and abuse will happen before we can identify where it happens. We need a clinical measure not of the ways abuse is expressed but rather a psychological profile of the abuser, the mindset, the psyche, the way they see the world as to why they choose to believe in such destructive and dysfunctional stuff. No not all the time and not particularly that often. Put it this way we spot the abusive control say within the law, politics, business, corporations, relationships and families but all these setups are legitimate, natural and normal for society. The law for example, the police command setup, or a company setup is still hierarchal and we still support the structure as a good and normal part about how we should structure society and companies as it works. The abuse happens within these same structures but we don't get rid of the hierarchal structure. We just put measures in place to stop people abusers those positions of power and control. But they are still positions of power and control in a good way that we need to function as a society. Get rid of the chain of command, the power of the law and there will be chaos. This is funny. You give a 3 word reply without any reasoning explaining why "we have" while you cut off my reply into a 3 word reply leaving out my reasoning. Did you do that so you didn't have to give any reasoning to the part you cut out. As I cannot even argue against a 3 word statement that says nothing for me to reason with lol. But no we don't have a ground for beliefs simply because belief is subjective. Tell me a ground and I will say its just a subjective value judgement as you keep saying lol. I can show the same belief you claim is abusive is not abusive. Its all subjective. Its self evident that society forms natural hierarchies. I gave all that evidence earlier. Did you forget. A company forms a natural hierarchy in their mangagement structure. A power and strength hierarchy naturally forms based on varying levels of power and strength with the strongest and most powerful at the top and the weakest at the bottom. Any compentency difference will form a hierarchy for any number of competencies like intellectual, social skills, building and construction, speed, beauty ect. Its natural for humans to value competency and give it varying status within a hierarchal structure or a structure that has levels of varying abilities which then bring differences in outcomes for those within each level. [I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]Hierarchy serves as a fundamental structure that underpins the functioning of human societies.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] Its significance lies in its [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]ability to maintain order, enhance efficiency, allocate resources, foster social cohesion, and facilitate adaptation.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] Hierarchical systems have been pivotal in shaping the course of human history, and their importance persists to this day. [/COLOR][/I] [URL="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fundamental-structure-human-societies-muhammad-azeem-qureshi/"]A Fundamental Structure in Human Societies.[/URL] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Social hierarchy constitutes a fundamental characteristic prevalent in the majority of existing societies. From the extensive literature regarding hierarchies, there are several important conclusions that can be drawn: (1) [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]social hierarchies are a natural and necessary part of social groups;[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] [/COLOR][/I][URL]https://medium.com/@STATUSNFT/social-hierarchy-and-why-it-matters-b5b94a581432[/URL] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Social status hierarchies are a [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]fundamental dimension of social life and critical to social system survival[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)], to be sure. The mechanisms of action of social behavior reside in the subconscious mind. [/COLOR][/I] [URL="https://m-i-t-m.com/social-rank/#:~:text=Social%20status%20hierarchies%20are%20a,control%20of%20your%20hormone%20system"]Social Status – Man in the Middle[/URL]. [I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]“Most social species organize themselves into hierarchies that guide each individual’s behavior,[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]” Researchers know that an area of the brain called the medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) is responsible for representing social rank in mammals;[/COLOR][/I] [URL="https://www.salk.edu/news-release/how-the-brain-encodes-social-rank-and-winning-mindset/"]How the brain encodes social rank and “winning mindset” - Salk Institute for Biological Studies[/URL] [B]Hard-Wired for Hierarchy[/B] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Now, researchers have found evidence that our brains may actually be hard-wired for hierarchy. And in fact, [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]we may be wired to value the "top dog" over the people who rank below us.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] [/COLOR][/I] [URL="https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4712859&page=1#:~:text=Now%2C%20researchers%20have%20found%20evidence,people%20who%20rank%20below%20us"]Hard-Wired for Hierarchy[/URL]. [I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]Social groups identify themselves as a part of the group by immediately self-organising themselves into hierarchies.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] The hierarchy they exhibit is built on values such as their [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]physical strength, power, influence within the group, skills that matter and the dominance level. [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]As per neural findings, the status has an immense impact on one’s attention, memory, social interactions, and even on their physical and mental health. Surprisingly [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]social status is realised with the presence of a neural network that looks after emotions, reward processing and execution of responses.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] Like other non-human primates, humans use cues like physical strength to make status judgements, although on top of these primitive perceptual cues are cues that are developed on the neural level within humans such as literacy, job titles, asset values, etc. While we have chemical compounds doing their job, our society plays a big role in how the thoughts about status perception are seeded inside our minds. As we learn to identify people based on their status, dominance, skill and physical strength since the early stage of our neural development it’s quite hard to overlook such learnings. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]Our brain tends to process every cue that others exhibit and we have a natural affinity for things that match either our subconscious or conscious search. Assigning ranks and perceiving status cues come with ease for humans and other non-human primates.[/B][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B] [/B][/COLOR] [URL]https://culture.kissflow.com/the-need-and-inevitable-nature-of-social-hierarchies-c5ec80f8841b[/URL] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Now, researchers for the first time have used brain imaging techniques to investigate how people respond to others of higher and lower status. The study suggests that our responses to these [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]hierarchies are[/B][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][I][B] hard-wired into our brains. [/B][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)][I]“[/I][/COLOR] [URL="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/science-jan-june08-status_04-25"]Social Status is Hard-Wired into the Brain, Study Shows[/URL] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][URL='https://www.ourwatch.org.au/the-issue/']O[/URL]K I will finish this post hear and have a read of your link. Looks interesting. Sorry for cutting up the posts in replying but I will get back to what I have missed if its relevant. Thanks for putting up with me lol, only joking. No I like this debate its interesting and its not often that people are willing to engage so much that we can explore things. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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