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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77653079" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>I don't agree. Hierarchies - relationships of control - are, by definition, controlling.</p><p></p><p>If they are rigid but voluntary, and someone can leave at any time, that kind of thing, maybe not. But in reality that is seldom the case; there are degrees of coercion in place (even if only the coercion of the threat of being unemployed). </p><p></p><p>As I have said over and over, if the "trad" arrangement is entered into voluntary, is not used to disempower either partner (ie. both still have equal say in decision making, access to finances, and so on), and can be renegotiated as needed, then that's not hierarchical, it's not rigid, it's not controlling or abusive. </p><p></p><p>It's not the division of responsibilities that makes it abusive; it's whether the people concerned are free to choose differently if they so choose. </p><p></p><p>This is blatantly untrue. We can identify what people believe. </p><p></p><p>You can say that of anything. But we can identify whether a person holds the beliefs which will justify abusive behaviours. </p><p></p><p>I wouldn't use the word "negative," myself. But if a parent were flagged as holding the cluster of beliefs which underpin abuse, we could then, for example, provide them with supports tailored to helping them to recognise the issues inherent in that, and promote change. And that will look different for every person and every situation. </p><p></p><p>Abuse prevention has nothing to do with Marxism, or identity politics. Quite the contrary, since abuse occurs in all demographics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77653079, member: 386627"] I don't agree. Hierarchies - relationships of control - are, by definition, controlling. If they are rigid but voluntary, and someone can leave at any time, that kind of thing, maybe not. But in reality that is seldom the case; there are degrees of coercion in place (even if only the coercion of the threat of being unemployed). As I have said over and over, if the "trad" arrangement is entered into voluntary, is not used to disempower either partner (ie. both still have equal say in decision making, access to finances, and so on), and can be renegotiated as needed, then that's not hierarchical, it's not rigid, it's not controlling or abusive. It's not the division of responsibilities that makes it abusive; it's whether the people concerned are free to choose differently if they so choose. This is blatantly untrue. We can identify what people believe. You can say that of anything. But we can identify whether a person holds the beliefs which will justify abusive behaviours. I wouldn't use the word "negative," myself. But if a parent were flagged as holding the cluster of beliefs which underpin abuse, we could then, for example, provide them with supports tailored to helping them to recognise the issues inherent in that, and promote change. And that will look different for every person and every situation. Abuse prevention has nothing to do with Marxism, or identity politics. Quite the contrary, since abuse occurs in all demographics. [/QUOTE]
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