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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77652504" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>But this is not what we are talking about, when we talk about hierarchy as a driver of abuse. </p><p></p><p>These, too, can be problematic. But we are speaking of rigid roles in a household setting. </p><p></p><p>Sure. That's been my argument all through this thread. These beliefs and attitudes drive abuse, which is harmful. </p><p></p><p>But we can study the actual beliefs and attitudes of perpetrators, and how they differ from others. That work has been done. That's how we know which beliefs and attitudes underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>They are one part of the problem. On their own, they're not the whole problem. But we can tackle that part, alongside the other parts. </p><p></p><p>But we have that ground. We have the proof. We have demonstrated that these are the beliefs held by abusers, which drive them to abuse. </p><p></p><p>It's not why she abuses. Nor would I accept it as a justification. </p><p></p><p>I think you're misrepresenting my pastoral approach. </p><p></p><p>To some degree, I think it is. </p><p></p><p>??</p><p></p><p>Do you not believe in repentance?</p><p></p><p>I'm not talking about making someone conform to something they're not ready to acknowledge. I'm talking about helping them to be ready to acknowledge it.</p><p></p><p>I completely disagree. Correlations, associations, risks and so on are mostly statistical artefacts, and irrelevant. </p><p></p><p>No, they really aren't. The PRIBS measures a lot that is not related to abuse, and does not measure all the attitudes/beliefs which underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>Link your evidence, because from what I can see, there is only partial overlap. </p><p></p><p>I even went to the trouble of creating a Venn diagram to illustrate the situation. </p><p></p><p>My point is that demandingness relates to these things; the other attributes measured by the PRIBS do not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77652504, member: 386627"] But this is not what we are talking about, when we talk about hierarchy as a driver of abuse. These, too, can be problematic. But we are speaking of rigid roles in a household setting. Sure. That's been my argument all through this thread. These beliefs and attitudes drive abuse, which is harmful. But we can study the actual beliefs and attitudes of perpetrators, and how they differ from others. That work has been done. That's how we know which beliefs and attitudes underpin abuse. They are one part of the problem. On their own, they're not the whole problem. But we can tackle that part, alongside the other parts. But we have that ground. We have the proof. We have demonstrated that these are the beliefs held by abusers, which drive them to abuse. It's not why she abuses. Nor would I accept it as a justification. I think you're misrepresenting my pastoral approach. To some degree, I think it is. ?? Do you not believe in repentance? I'm not talking about making someone conform to something they're not ready to acknowledge. I'm talking about helping them to be ready to acknowledge it. I completely disagree. Correlations, associations, risks and so on are mostly statistical artefacts, and irrelevant. No, they really aren't. The PRIBS measures a lot that is not related to abuse, and does not measure all the attitudes/beliefs which underpin abuse. Link your evidence, because from what I can see, there is only partial overlap. I even went to the trouble of creating a Venn diagram to illustrate the situation. My point is that demandingness relates to these things; the other attributes measured by the PRIBS do not. [/QUOTE]
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