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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77651918" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>Then there is nothing to discuss at all because there is no single cause of abuse. The only way we can discuss why people abuse and use violence is through links, correlations, associations, risks, determinants and protective factors. Some factors pr correlations are more prominant that others. But none are singularly causative.</p><p></p><p>No the core beliefs in the PRIBS are what underpin the Mindset for all examples of that Mindset being applied to situations like hierarchies and roles or relationships or business partnerships or any example you want to give. These are the symptoms or the expressions of how the controlling mindset applies itself.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned the main core belief related to abusive control including abusive and controlling parenting is "Demandingness". ie</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>Demandingness, or "absolutistic, rigid adherence to an idea,"</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> is the core of disturbance and that </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>the other beliefs are less critical and are created from demandingness.</strong></span></em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong> </strong></span></p><p><em><a href="https://scholar.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1640&context=theses_dissertations" target="_blank">https://scholar.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1640&context=theses_dissertations</a> </em></p><p></p><p>In otherwords its the Demandingness, absolutistic and rigid aherence by the mind to an idea like roles or hierarchies that makes it abusive and not the hierarchies and roles themselves, They are just the ideas a Demanding, absolutistic and rigid Mindset adheres to.</p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Parental beliefs also consist of parents' beliefs about child-rearing, parental expectations, and attribution from their children, parental perceptions of children's behavior, and parental self-efficacy</span></em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><em> (Azar et al., 2005; Bornstein & Cote, 2004).</em></span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><em><strong> Parent demandingness refers to an unrealistic expectation of events of themselves as parents, or of others, in this case, their children</strong></em></span><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> (DiGiuseppe & Ketler, 2006).</span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>Demandingness:</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> This category of irrational beliefs contains </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>absolutist, rigid beliefs which include should, ought, have to statements.</strong></span> </em></p><p><em><a href="https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ936304.pdf" target="_blank">https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ936304.pdf</a> </em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">In other words this is the core belief shema that all beliefs about rigidity, controlling hierarchies such as certain people "should or have to" occupy certain levels or roles ect. Its the core belief behind all demand type controlling beliefs come from. </span></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">DiGiuseppe et al. (<a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/#B14" target="_blank"><u>2014</u></a>) proposed four categories of irrational beliefs: </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>demandingness as core belief</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">, respectively LFT, global evaluation of human worth and awfulizing as</span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong> logical derivatives of demandingness.</strong></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>The basic irrational belief that underlies human disturbance is the absolutistic “must” or demand statements about self, others and life conditions </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">(Ellis, <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/#B21" target="_blank"><u>1994</u></a>). Demandingness is the tendency to transform wishes, desires, and preferences into </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>absolutistic requirements.</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> Following the level of cognition proposed by DiGiuseppe et al. (<a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/#B14" target="_blank"><u>2014</u></a>), </span><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>demandingness is a core irrational belief which serves as a basic life philosophy.</strong></span></em> </p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/" target="_blank">Irrational Beliefs and Personality Traits as Psychological Mechanisms Underlying the Adolescents' Extremist Mind-Set</a></p><p></p><p>The four core beliefs or Demandingness, Awefulizing, Intolerance Frustration and Global evaluations of self others and the world are the core belief shemas that are the basis for all human negative beliefs.</p><p></p><p>A person who comes up with the idea of creating abusive and controlling and rigid roles and hiearchies will have a combination of these 4 basic core beliefs with Demandingness being the main core belief which all other beliefs stem from. This has been proven and tested in clinical studies.</p><p></p><p>Yes you can, its been clinically verified. It is rediculous to say that a Parental belief scale designed to measure unhealthy, negative and irrational beliefs about parenting is not measuring the most important belief that is linked to unhealthy and inappropriate parenting.</p><p></p><p>Its like saying a clincial scale to measure personality disorders cannot measure the most important personality disorders. The PRIBS even states its measuring controlling beliefs about parenting that are unhealthy for children. Beliefs that are rigid and demanding about the way they see their children and how they treat them. That exactly relates to using controlling and abusive disicipline.</p><p></p><p>Nop we did not look at this in detail. We spent about 2 posts on it and we didn't discuss in detail what each core belief was about and how this relates to parenting. From memory you only spoke about 3 sentences on the entire article which was something along the lines of what your saying now. That the only core belief that may be relevant was 'Demandingness'. You said nothing else. Never explained why or mentioned anything alse in that article.</p><p></p><p>This is a good example of how theres a vast difference between what you claim and what you have actually done. I can go back and show you exactly what you said and there was no in detail discussion.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Take out the hierarchy and rigid roles and it says everything about a controlling and rigid mind. A controlling and rigid mind is what comes up with rigid roles and controlling setups be it a hiearchy, Trad marriage, business partnership, 2 people on a deserted island where one controls the other or any idea a controlling mind comes up with.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Your getting fixated on these two examples when its not about the symptopms of a controlling mind but the controlling mind itself. The Schemas and ways the mind thinks rigidly, in black and white, do's and dont's, Musts, Demands ect. Which are a Mindset and not explained by any one or two examples which are the symptoms of the mindset. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Its like focusing on the symptoms of addiction like how its expressed in behaviour and not the addictive thinking behind the examples of how addiction is expressed in society. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77651918, member: 342064"] Then there is nothing to discuss at all because there is no single cause of abuse. The only way we can discuss why people abuse and use violence is through links, correlations, associations, risks, determinants and protective factors. Some factors pr correlations are more prominant that others. But none are singularly causative. No the core beliefs in the PRIBS are what underpin the Mindset for all examples of that Mindset being applied to situations like hierarchies and roles or relationships or business partnerships or any example you want to give. These are the symptoms or the expressions of how the controlling mindset applies itself. As mentioned the main core belief related to abusive control including abusive and controlling parenting is "Demandingness". ie [I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]Demandingness, or "absolutistic, rigid adherence to an idea,"[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] is the core of disturbance and that [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]the other beliefs are less critical and are created from demandingness.[/B][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B] [/B][/COLOR] [I][URL]https://scholar.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1640&context=theses_dissertations[/URL] [/I] In otherwords its the Demandingness, absolutistic and rigid aherence by the mind to an idea like roles or hierarchies that makes it abusive and not the hierarchies and roles themselves, They are just the ideas a Demanding, absolutistic and rigid Mindset adheres to. [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Parental beliefs also consist of parents' beliefs about child-rearing, parental expectations, and attribution from their children, parental perceptions of children's behavior, and parental self-efficacy[/COLOR][/I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)][I] (Azar et al., 2005; Bornstein & Cote, 2004).[/I][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][I][B] Parent demandingness refers to an unrealistic expectation of events of themselves as parents, or of others, in this case, their children[/B][/I][/COLOR][I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] (DiGiuseppe & Ketler, 2006).[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]Demandingness:[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] This category of irrational beliefs contains [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]absolutist, rigid beliefs which include should, ought, have to statements.[/B][/COLOR] [URL]https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ936304.pdf[/URL] [/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]In other words this is the core belief shema that all beliefs about rigidity, controlling hierarchies such as certain people "should or have to" occupy certain levels or roles ect. Its the core belief behind all demand type controlling beliefs come from. [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]DiGiuseppe et al. ([URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/#B14'][U]2014[/U][/URL]) proposed four categories of irrational beliefs: [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]demandingness as core belief[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)], respectively LFT, global evaluation of human worth and awfulizing as[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B] logical derivatives of demandingness.[/B][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]The basic irrational belief that underlies human disturbance is the absolutistic “must” or demand statements about self, others and life conditions [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)](Ellis, [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/#B21'][U]1994[/U][/URL]). Demandingness is the tendency to transform wishes, desires, and preferences into [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]absolutistic requirements.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] Following the level of cognition proposed by DiGiuseppe et al. ([URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/#B14'][U]2014[/U][/URL]), [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]demandingness is a core irrational belief which serves as a basic life philosophy.[/B][/COLOR][/I] [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6558417/']Irrational Beliefs and Personality Traits as Psychological Mechanisms Underlying the Adolescents' Extremist Mind-Set[/URL] The four core beliefs or Demandingness, Awefulizing, Intolerance Frustration and Global evaluations of self others and the world are the core belief shemas that are the basis for all human negative beliefs. A person who comes up with the idea of creating abusive and controlling and rigid roles and hiearchies will have a combination of these 4 basic core beliefs with Demandingness being the main core belief which all other beliefs stem from. This has been proven and tested in clinical studies. Yes you can, its been clinically verified. It is rediculous to say that a Parental belief scale designed to measure unhealthy, negative and irrational beliefs about parenting is not measuring the most important belief that is linked to unhealthy and inappropriate parenting. Its like saying a clincial scale to measure personality disorders cannot measure the most important personality disorders. The PRIBS even states its measuring controlling beliefs about parenting that are unhealthy for children. Beliefs that are rigid and demanding about the way they see their children and how they treat them. That exactly relates to using controlling and abusive disicipline. Nop we did not look at this in detail. We spent about 2 posts on it and we didn't discuss in detail what each core belief was about and how this relates to parenting. From memory you only spoke about 3 sentences on the entire article which was something along the lines of what your saying now. That the only core belief that may be relevant was 'Demandingness'. You said nothing else. Never explained why or mentioned anything alse in that article. This is a good example of how theres a vast difference between what you claim and what you have actually done. I can go back and show you exactly what you said and there was no in detail discussion. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Take out the hierarchy and rigid roles and it says everything about a controlling and rigid mind. A controlling and rigid mind is what comes up with rigid roles and controlling setups be it a hiearchy, Trad marriage, business partnership, 2 people on a deserted island where one controls the other or any idea a controlling mind comes up with. Your getting fixated on these two examples when its not about the symptopms of a controlling mind but the controlling mind itself. The Schemas and ways the mind thinks rigidly, in black and white, do's and dont's, Musts, Demands ect. Which are a Mindset and not explained by any one or two examples which are the symptoms of the mindset. Its like focusing on the symptoms of addiction like how its expressed in behaviour and not the addictive thinking behind the examples of how addiction is expressed in society. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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