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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77643008" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>I would not agree that you are communicating in a straightforward way, at all. </p><p></p><p>Oh good grief. No, they absolutely are not. Especially when you want to throw depression into the mix as well. </p><p></p><p>Which would be one reason why they are not the same thing. </p><p></p><p>No; I am pointing out that if stress is common to both abusive and non-abusive parents, then that is not what differentiates those who abuse, from those who don't. </p><p></p><p>No; I am pointing out that there are many overwhelmed people who are not coping with stress, who nevertheless do not abuse. </p><p></p><p>But none of those beliefs are the ones which underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>I have not seen evidence which quantifies the causative contribution of your claimed risk factors. I have seen significant evidence calling that causative contribution into question. </p><p></p><p>But you have not shown that the distress forms the specific beliefs which underpin abuse. </p><p></p><p>Again, correlation is not causation. </p><p></p><p>Because your chain of evidence doesn't demonstrate what you want to claim it does. </p><p></p><p>Well, if we don't know, you certainly can't claim that it does! It does not refer to such things in the part that we can read, nor is that the subject of that study.</p><p></p><p>So, here's the question. What is the difference between burnt out parents who abuse, and those who don't? Find that difference, and you will find what is actually causing burnt out parents to abuse. </p><p></p><p>Looking at your sources on stress, all they seem to establish is that there's a correlation between stress and abuse. I'm not surprised, and have agreed all through the thread that a stressed abuser may well abuse more, or more heavily, than one who is not stressed. But stress is not what causes them to abuse, as people who don't hold the requisite beliefs, won't abuse no matter how stressed they are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77643008, member: 386627"] I would not agree that you are communicating in a straightforward way, at all. Oh good grief. No, they absolutely are not. Especially when you want to throw depression into the mix as well. Which would be one reason why they are not the same thing. No; I am pointing out that if stress is common to both abusive and non-abusive parents, then that is not what differentiates those who abuse, from those who don't. No; I am pointing out that there are many overwhelmed people who are not coping with stress, who nevertheless do not abuse. But none of those beliefs are the ones which underpin abuse. I have not seen evidence which quantifies the causative contribution of your claimed risk factors. I have seen significant evidence calling that causative contribution into question. But you have not shown that the distress forms the specific beliefs which underpin abuse. Again, correlation is not causation. Because your chain of evidence doesn't demonstrate what you want to claim it does. Well, if we don't know, you certainly can't claim that it does! It does not refer to such things in the part that we can read, nor is that the subject of that study. So, here's the question. What is the difference between burnt out parents who abuse, and those who don't? Find that difference, and you will find what is actually causing burnt out parents to abuse. Looking at your sources on stress, all they seem to establish is that there's a correlation between stress and abuse. I'm not surprised, and have agreed all through the thread that a stressed abuser may well abuse more, or more heavily, than one who is not stressed. But stress is not what causes them to abuse, as people who don't hold the requisite beliefs, won't abuse no matter how stressed they are. [/QUOTE]
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