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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77639646" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>But thats purely your personal opinion. I happen to think I have presented well researched evidence. </p><p></p><p>Look where I have taken this thread, the thinking and mindset of abusers, the stresses and other determinants that abusive parents experience, some psychology into how humans come to believe in irrational ideas, how aggression is involved in abuse, the Risk factor model, social theories on how societies believe, beliefs scales, defining hierachies and much more. </p><p></p><p>All these issues are related to why people abuse and use violence and understanding these aspects is required to understand abuse as its a multidimensional problem. If we did not investigate these things then we would be neglecting important aspects. </p><p></p><p>No you pointed out two things which I refuted. One was that the 'harsh' was not referring to physical punishment which I showed it was as the entire article was about "why parents physically abuse their child". It stated that a belief in harsh physical punishment was one of the reasons. </p><p></p><p>You then said that the article was not linking stress to physical abuse. As I said the article was about "why parents physically abuse their child" and it gave one of the reasons as stress and not handling distress. </p><p></p><p>It seems your determined to find a chink going from one thing and when that fails trying to find another and another. Next it will be the source. </p><p>The reference to stress was under the heading <strong>Self-Esteem And Self-Efficacy and said "</strong><em><strong>They tend to experience higher stress levels, depression, self-blame, and social isolation".</strong></em></p><p></p><p>Thats distress, depression is personal distress. Its saying they don't necessarily have higher stress from outside sources but that they experience higher stress levels personally and depression and self blame because they cannot cope personally. This is personal distress, not coping. </p><p></p><p>They even say this, that the parent cannot cope with stress. That is distress. Distress is when a person is stressed to the point where it becomes personal to effect them psychologically. </p><p></p><p>But it doesn't matter anyway because stress or distress they are effected and this is an influencing factor as the article states as to why parents abuse. You were objecting to stress earlier not being a factor so either way the article supports what I am saying. </p><p></p><p>Yes it does because it shows that stress is a big factor for all parents even for those who don't have additional problems. So imagine those parents who cannot handle that stress like most parents. If parents without additional determinants find it hard then those with other problems find it even harder and will more likely be compromised in some way. </p><p></p><p>I think if the situation gets to the point where the parent is abusing their kid instead of handling the stress then we can say there are additional stressors to add to the situation that need to be considered. As when it gets to the point of abuse then the entire home is also stressed and distressed. </p><p></p><p>Like smoking is a contributing factor to lung cancer but may not be the sole cause of lung cancer. But it is highly associated. As I said there is no single cause of child abuse and its a combinaaation of factors that build towards abuse. Each individual may have their own set of factors so not two are the same but there will be some combination that will build towards abuse. </p><p></p><p>Thats where you keep misunderstanding. If I mention a risk factor involved you then think its the sole cause when its not. The point is these risk factors or as your article calls them "determinants" usually feed into each other. So in the case of stress for some it brings distress, psychological distress, anxiety, depression, low self esteem. That feeds into negativity. </p><p></p><p>Or the stress turns to substance abuse to cope, and the combined effect may lead to family conflict, job losses, lower socioeconomic status. That is why the poorest populations have the most problems of stress, distress, DV, child abuse, substance abuse, gang violence, crime ect.</p><p></p><p>Ok now its the source. At least you are engaging in actually investigating my evidence which is good as this makes for a productive debate and may even come up with some good challenges. </p><p></p><p>The link is from a good source Psychnet. It more or less says the same thing as the article ie <em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Mothers of Hs, especially younger ones, reported markedly higher levels of stress associated with both child characteristics and their own feelings, such as depression, self-blame, and social isolation.</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Younger mothers seems understandable as they would have less experience, not be as mature to cope and may find it harder to handle motherhood. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">From memory this aligns with another article I linked earlier showing that abuse rates were higher among younger mothers and that they had higher rates of anxiety and depression. So its good science as its independently supported. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77639646, member: 342064"] But thats purely your personal opinion. I happen to think I have presented well researched evidence. Look where I have taken this thread, the thinking and mindset of abusers, the stresses and other determinants that abusive parents experience, some psychology into how humans come to believe in irrational ideas, how aggression is involved in abuse, the Risk factor model, social theories on how societies believe, beliefs scales, defining hierachies and much more. All these issues are related to why people abuse and use violence and understanding these aspects is required to understand abuse as its a multidimensional problem. If we did not investigate these things then we would be neglecting important aspects. No you pointed out two things which I refuted. One was that the 'harsh' was not referring to physical punishment which I showed it was as the entire article was about "why parents physically abuse their child". It stated that a belief in harsh physical punishment was one of the reasons. You then said that the article was not linking stress to physical abuse. As I said the article was about "why parents physically abuse their child" and it gave one of the reasons as stress and not handling distress. It seems your determined to find a chink going from one thing and when that fails trying to find another and another. Next it will be the source. The reference to stress was under the heading [B]Self-Esteem And Self-Efficacy and said "[/B][I][B]They tend to experience higher stress levels, depression, self-blame, and social isolation".[/B][/I] Thats distress, depression is personal distress. Its saying they don't necessarily have higher stress from outside sources but that they experience higher stress levels personally and depression and self blame because they cannot cope personally. This is personal distress, not coping. They even say this, that the parent cannot cope with stress. That is distress. Distress is when a person is stressed to the point where it becomes personal to effect them psychologically. But it doesn't matter anyway because stress or distress they are effected and this is an influencing factor as the article states as to why parents abuse. You were objecting to stress earlier not being a factor so either way the article supports what I am saying. Yes it does because it shows that stress is a big factor for all parents even for those who don't have additional problems. So imagine those parents who cannot handle that stress like most parents. If parents without additional determinants find it hard then those with other problems find it even harder and will more likely be compromised in some way. I think if the situation gets to the point where the parent is abusing their kid instead of handling the stress then we can say there are additional stressors to add to the situation that need to be considered. As when it gets to the point of abuse then the entire home is also stressed and distressed. Like smoking is a contributing factor to lung cancer but may not be the sole cause of lung cancer. But it is highly associated. As I said there is no single cause of child abuse and its a combinaaation of factors that build towards abuse. Each individual may have their own set of factors so not two are the same but there will be some combination that will build towards abuse. Thats where you keep misunderstanding. If I mention a risk factor involved you then think its the sole cause when its not. The point is these risk factors or as your article calls them "determinants" usually feed into each other. So in the case of stress for some it brings distress, psychological distress, anxiety, depression, low self esteem. That feeds into negativity. Or the stress turns to substance abuse to cope, and the combined effect may lead to family conflict, job losses, lower socioeconomic status. That is why the poorest populations have the most problems of stress, distress, DV, child abuse, substance abuse, gang violence, crime ect. Ok now its the source. At least you are engaging in actually investigating my evidence which is good as this makes for a productive debate and may even come up with some good challenges. The link is from a good source Psychnet. It more or less says the same thing as the article ie [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Mothers of Hs, especially younger ones, reported markedly higher levels of stress associated with both child characteristics and their own feelings, such as depression, self-blame, and social isolation.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Younger mothers seems understandable as they would have less experience, not be as mature to cope and may find it harder to handle motherhood. From memory this aligns with another article I linked earlier showing that abuse rates were higher among younger mothers and that they had higher rates of anxiety and depression. So its good science as its independently supported. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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