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Is modern secular society headed down the path to Sodom and Gomorrah.
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<blockquote data-quote="Hans Blaster" data-source="post: 77654534" data-attributes="member: 396028"><p>Since you were wondering, it is your repeated disagreements with reality that I was referring to as your lot in life.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to cut Jefferson (the principle writer of this section) and Franklin (the primary editor) some slack, though they certainly have their flaws, since Darwin wouldn't be born for 33 years. "Created in god's image" is you guys. I have no reason to think that deists (like these two) thought of this watchmaker god as even creating humans, let alone "made them in [its] image". That's a Jewish thing you Christians use. Nothing about the text of the DoI implies it.</p><p></p><p>This is not my impression of the deists. Mostly, I think, they thought that the creator had set the world in motion and didn't ascribe human values to it. You seem again to be projecting very Christian thoughts on to very non-Christian people.</p><p></p><p>This is *directly* contradicted by the text I provided for you. It makes no reference to god as the source for government, in fact it does the opposite. It says it is UP TO US to form governments and that the power of government derives from the people themselves (rather than any divine/creator force).</p><p></p><p>Most deists didn't consider the creator to even be personal.</p><p></p><p>The DoI doesn't actually say anything about freedom of belief. (Jefferson was a strong supporter of full religious freedom and drafted a statute as governor of Virginia which he valued as his most significant achievement placing it as the only accomplishment in his epitaph.)</p><p></p><p>You should probably read up on the sexual morals of Jefferson and Franklin. You might want to post-date your OP to 1776 afterward.</p><p></p><p>Divine status? I think you Christianity is making assumptions about other people's beliefs again.</p><p></p><p>It's rather odd then that abolition in America didn't start until *after* the former colonists had fought for *their* freedom from a seemingly overwhelming oppressive power. (Jefferson included a clause blaming george 3 for the slave trade, but Franklin and Adams had him remove it to avoid irritating the various states dominated by the slave economy and the slaveholders in the Continental Congress itself.) After the war, Franklin would help found the first anti-slavery society in North America and Jefferson would keep a mixed-race enslaved woman as his concubine (she was also his dead wife's half-sister). </p><p></p><p></p><p>That's *your* claim - a Christian one. It is not universal, nor one which deists would make</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hans Blaster, post: 77654534, member: 396028"] Since you were wondering, it is your repeated disagreements with reality that I was referring to as your lot in life. I'm going to cut Jefferson (the principle writer of this section) and Franklin (the primary editor) some slack, though they certainly have their flaws, since Darwin wouldn't be born for 33 years. "Created in god's image" is you guys. I have no reason to think that deists (like these two) thought of this watchmaker god as even creating humans, let alone "made them in [its] image". That's a Jewish thing you Christians use. Nothing about the text of the DoI implies it. This is not my impression of the deists. Mostly, I think, they thought that the creator had set the world in motion and didn't ascribe human values to it. You seem again to be projecting very Christian thoughts on to very non-Christian people. This is *directly* contradicted by the text I provided for you. It makes no reference to god as the source for government, in fact it does the opposite. It says it is UP TO US to form governments and that the power of government derives from the people themselves (rather than any divine/creator force). Most deists didn't consider the creator to even be personal. The DoI doesn't actually say anything about freedom of belief. (Jefferson was a strong supporter of full religious freedom and drafted a statute as governor of Virginia which he valued as his most significant achievement placing it as the only accomplishment in his epitaph.) You should probably read up on the sexual morals of Jefferson and Franklin. You might want to post-date your OP to 1776 afterward. Divine status? I think you Christianity is making assumptions about other people's beliefs again. It's rather odd then that abolition in America didn't start until *after* the former colonists had fought for *their* freedom from a seemingly overwhelming oppressive power. (Jefferson included a clause blaming george 3 for the slave trade, but Franklin and Adams had him remove it to avoid irritating the various states dominated by the slave economy and the slaveholders in the Continental Congress itself.) After the war, Franklin would help found the first anti-slavery society in North America and Jefferson would keep a mixed-race enslaved woman as his concubine (she was also his dead wife's half-sister). That's *your* claim - a Christian one. It is not universal, nor one which deists would make [/QUOTE]
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