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Is modern secular society headed down the path to Sodom and Gomorrah.
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77654198" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>I am not sure what that means.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't now. But the basis for equality under the law came from Christian values of human worth and equality. Such as with the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights ect which proceeded Human Rights for which all laws are based on including equality under the law. </p><p></p><p>This is all based on the Christian principle of human worth being equal regardless of who you are. This was the fundemental principle against ideas like arbitrary arrest in that each human had worth and rights even against States and powers who may want to impose their ideology on others and force them to conform.</p><p></p><p>The same with free expression. If every human is of same value and has the right to life then they have the right to be human. To equally express themselves and live freely. If there is no human who can deny another even kings or presidents then each has a right in determining how they live, thus democracy and free speech stems from democracy and enlightenment. </p><p></p><p>So the primary Christian principle is that we are created in Gods image with natural unaliebale rights to life. But many biblical verses reflect this like the story of the Good Samaritan who makes all equal regardless of ethnicity, belief, or status, or whenever the bible mentions valuing the least of us, making all equal such as </p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). </span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Or </span><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A8-9&version=ESV" target="_blank"> James 2:8-9</a></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">This is reflected in the western Canon of literature such as the Magna Carta, Bills of Rights, but also the great works of philosophers and religious leaders like Augustine, Aquinas, Hobbes, Descartes, Kant and Mill. These great works gave us new insights into human nature, morality, experience and reality such as with Descartes and Mind/Body Dualism which relates to consciousness and the soul. They all bright insights into human nature, morality and how each human is unique and of equal value. </span></p><p></p><p>This article explains how much of the westerb canon is being removed from academia as they 'De-colonise' the ciriculum. </p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2017/05/wisest-counselors-western-canon-defend/[/URL]</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">By the way I think a good representation of a western canon related to this thread is Miltons <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost" target="_blank">Paradise Lost</a>.</em></span></p><p></p><p>Or that Christianity is aligned with what is natural and innate in all humans. If God created us and we are made in His image then it makes sense that He placed in us the ability to know Him. Humans have the ability to express this innate knowledge in different ways due to culture. But its the same core values and principles that they are expressing culturally.</p><p></p><p>Christianity is just the best way to express this that most aligns with nature and reality. The west was closest to expressing these Christian truths and principles but that doesn't mean other cultures cannot express aspects of this in their own way. </p><p></p><p>I look at Islam and Hebrews as a good example. Basically it is about the Christian creator God up until Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah, the fullfillment of the law that is promised in the Old Testament of all these religions. The Muslims believe its Mohummad 600 plus years after Christ and the Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come. But between them they all believe in fundementally the same thing which makes up the majority of the worlds religions. </p><p></p><p>But outside this most other religions have a similar structure, a creator, morality, a saviour, a judgement and eternal life after death. They are all expressions of the same innate beliefs we all have and make sense if we are spiritual beings as well as physical ones.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Enlightened thinking happened well before Enlightenment. The idea that Christ was the Truth and shone a light in the darkness of human hearts is related. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">As mentioned many of the pioneers of Enlightenment believes that rational thought and science would reveal Gods truth in nature. In some ways Christianity was the drive behind even science in the early days. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77654198, member: 342064"] I am not sure what that means. It doesn't now. But the basis for equality under the law came from Christian values of human worth and equality. Such as with the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights ect which proceeded Human Rights for which all laws are based on including equality under the law. This is all based on the Christian principle of human worth being equal regardless of who you are. This was the fundemental principle against ideas like arbitrary arrest in that each human had worth and rights even against States and powers who may want to impose their ideology on others and force them to conform. The same with free expression. If every human is of same value and has the right to life then they have the right to be human. To equally express themselves and live freely. If there is no human who can deny another even kings or presidents then each has a right in determining how they live, thus democracy and free speech stems from democracy and enlightenment. So the primary Christian principle is that we are created in Gods image with natural unaliebale rights to life. But many biblical verses reflect this like the story of the Good Samaritan who makes all equal regardless of ethnicity, belief, or status, or whenever the bible mentions valuing the least of us, making all equal such as [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). [/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Or [/COLOR][URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A8-9&version=ESV'] James 2:8-9[/URL] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)][I][/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is reflected in the western Canon of literature such as the Magna Carta, Bills of Rights, but also the great works of philosophers and religious leaders like Augustine, Aquinas, Hobbes, Descartes, Kant and Mill. These great works gave us new insights into human nature, morality, experience and reality such as with Descartes and Mind/Body Dualism which relates to consciousness and the soul. They all bright insights into human nature, morality and how each human is unique and of equal value. [/COLOR] This article explains how much of the westerb canon is being removed from academia as they 'De-colonise' the ciriculum. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2017/05/wisest-counselors-western-canon-defend/[/URL] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]By the way I think a good representation of a western canon related to this thread is Miltons [I][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost']Paradise Lost[/URL].[/I][/COLOR] Or that Christianity is aligned with what is natural and innate in all humans. If God created us and we are made in His image then it makes sense that He placed in us the ability to know Him. Humans have the ability to express this innate knowledge in different ways due to culture. But its the same core values and principles that they are expressing culturally. Christianity is just the best way to express this that most aligns with nature and reality. The west was closest to expressing these Christian truths and principles but that doesn't mean other cultures cannot express aspects of this in their own way. I look at Islam and Hebrews as a good example. Basically it is about the Christian creator God up until Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah, the fullfillment of the law that is promised in the Old Testament of all these religions. The Muslims believe its Mohummad 600 plus years after Christ and the Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come. But between them they all believe in fundementally the same thing which makes up the majority of the worlds religions. But outside this most other religions have a similar structure, a creator, morality, a saviour, a judgement and eternal life after death. They are all expressions of the same innate beliefs we all have and make sense if we are spiritual beings as well as physical ones. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Enlightened thinking happened well before Enlightenment. The idea that Christ was the Truth and shone a light in the darkness of human hearts is related. As mentioned many of the pioneers of Enlightenment believes that rational thought and science would reveal Gods truth in nature. In some ways Christianity was the drive behind even science in the early days. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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