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<blockquote data-quote="Lukaris" data-source="post: 77433852" data-attributes="member: 198106"><p>I believe the account of Adam & Eve’s disobedience brought on physical pain in Genesis 3:1-24.This laid the seeds for death but I believe we still brought on death for ourselves when Cain slew Abel in Genesis 4:1-26. This is what I believe are the background of what St. Paul says about sin & death in Romans 5:12-14 and we are not born guilty but are affected by it.</p><p></p><p>I believe what was created would have imploded but God sustained with what we probably can know as our science. God still chose to redeem created man by becoming man & undergoing death so we can live ( John 3:16-21).</p><p></p><p>There is much in this existence which is sorrow & the Lord tells us so ( John 16:33). All we can do is try to live our lives to hopefully make things a little better for ourselves & our neighbors per the commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 7:12, repeat Matthew 7:12 with Matthew 7:1-12, etc.).</p><p></p><p>I don’t believe God zaps us to test us nor much in miracles outside the Gospel accounts. I believe God died to save us so we can live but we have to live & die in the mean time. I don’t believe heaven or hell is guaranteed to anyone but will be where we all end up. While the Christian has an assurance of salvation ( Colossians 2:1-4), the non Christian still has a chance with their conscience ( Romans 2:6-16 etc.). God promises the good will be saved & the evil not be ( see John 5:22-30). I better not boast against my neighbor & presume I have it in the bag & they don’t ( see Matthew 7:20-23).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lukaris, post: 77433852, member: 198106"] I believe the account of Adam & Eve’s disobedience brought on physical pain in Genesis 3:1-24.This laid the seeds for death but I believe we still brought on death for ourselves when Cain slew Abel in Genesis 4:1-26. This is what I believe are the background of what St. Paul says about sin & death in Romans 5:12-14 and we are not born guilty but are affected by it. I believe what was created would have imploded but God sustained with what we probably can know as our science. God still chose to redeem created man by becoming man & undergoing death so we can live ( John 3:16-21). There is much in this existence which is sorrow & the Lord tells us so ( John 16:33). All we can do is try to live our lives to hopefully make things a little better for ourselves & our neighbors per the commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 7:12, repeat Matthew 7:12 with Matthew 7:1-12, etc.). I don’t believe God zaps us to test us nor much in miracles outside the Gospel accounts. I believe God died to save us so we can live but we have to live & die in the mean time. I don’t believe heaven or hell is guaranteed to anyone but will be where we all end up. While the Christian has an assurance of salvation ( Colossians 2:1-4), the non Christian still has a chance with their conscience ( Romans 2:6-16 etc.). God promises the good will be saved & the evil not be ( see John 5:22-30). I better not boast against my neighbor & presume I have it in the bag & they don’t ( see Matthew 7:20-23). [/QUOTE]
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