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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77657767" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>If someone says 'give me your wallet or I will kill you and your family and all your friends and all their families' then you are still making a choice. In no way can it be described as a free will choice. You're going to lose your money. But you still chose Option A over the awful option B.</p><p></p><p>Other conditions that determine your choice are just much less obvious. But they still lead you to the same position.</p><p></p><p>Bear In mind that we're not talking about a world where every action is like the strike of a snooker ball on another. Where the struck ball has no choice in how it reacts. There is almost always a choice between what we prefer and what we do not. And what we prefer is determined. So you'd prefer not to be shot and not to have your family and friends killed. But there was still a choice to be made. The guy didn't knock you down and take your wallet. You still had to voluntarily give it to him. Or...suffer the consequences. </p><p></p><p>All prior conditions determine that you would always take Option A. There would need to be a <em>drastic</em> rearrangement of prior conditions for you to take Option B. But if there were, then it would determine the alternative. Every time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77657767, member: 412388"] If someone says 'give me your wallet or I will kill you and your family and all your friends and all their families' then you are still making a choice. In no way can it be described as a free will choice. You're going to lose your money. But you still chose Option A over the awful option B. Other conditions that determine your choice are just much less obvious. But they still lead you to the same position. Bear In mind that we're not talking about a world where every action is like the strike of a snooker ball on another. Where the struck ball has no choice in how it reacts. There is almost always a choice between what we prefer and what we do not. And what we prefer is determined. So you'd prefer not to be shot and not to have your family and friends killed. But there was still a choice to be made. The guy didn't knock you down and take your wallet. You still had to voluntarily give it to him. Or...suffer the consequences. All prior conditions determine that you would always take Option A. There would need to be a [I]drastic[/I] rearrangement of prior conditions for you to take Option B. But if there were, then it would determine the alternative. Every time. [/QUOTE]
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