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<blockquote data-quote="The Liturgist" data-source="post: 77363632" data-attributes="member: 424341"><p>Wait just a minute - are you claiming the persecutions didn’t happen? Because we have a mountain of textual evidence to support that. If your argument was that it was a different Emperor who caused it, or someone else, or other factors in Roman society, I could accept that, but denying the persecution is absurd given the large number of accounts about it we have from both the early Church and from secular sources in Roman society, including Emperor Trajan himself. For it would make no sense for Trajan to write a letter to a regional governor telling him to no longer actively hunt down Christians as this was contrary to the contemporary way of doing things, had that not once been the case (indeed St. Ignatius was martyred, if I recall, shortly after Trajan became Emperor; the martyrdoms did not stop under Trajan, but the active hunting of Christians in a manner that was later eerily evoked by the Inquisition, the Gestapo, and Communist security forces such as the Securitate of Romania, the Stasi of the DDR and the Chekists of the Soviet Union, especially under Lenin and Stalin, did stop or was rather reduced under Trajan to a large extent, and things remained relatively quiet for the Church until the end of the reign of Marcus Aurelius, at which time the persecution once more entered a phase of high activity, particularly as the disastrous third century progressed, the various Emperors and other civic leaders of the Empire blamed its numerous woes such as pestilences and natural disasters on the “superstition” of Christians who refused to submit to the “piety” of the State Religion and its associated Pagan cults.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Liturgist, post: 77363632, member: 424341"] Wait just a minute - are you claiming the persecutions didn’t happen? Because we have a mountain of textual evidence to support that. If your argument was that it was a different Emperor who caused it, or someone else, or other factors in Roman society, I could accept that, but denying the persecution is absurd given the large number of accounts about it we have from both the early Church and from secular sources in Roman society, including Emperor Trajan himself. For it would make no sense for Trajan to write a letter to a regional governor telling him to no longer actively hunt down Christians as this was contrary to the contemporary way of doing things, had that not once been the case (indeed St. Ignatius was martyred, if I recall, shortly after Trajan became Emperor; the martyrdoms did not stop under Trajan, but the active hunting of Christians in a manner that was later eerily evoked by the Inquisition, the Gestapo, and Communist security forces such as the Securitate of Romania, the Stasi of the DDR and the Chekists of the Soviet Union, especially under Lenin and Stalin, did stop or was rather reduced under Trajan to a large extent, and things remained relatively quiet for the Church until the end of the reign of Marcus Aurelius, at which time the persecution once more entered a phase of high activity, particularly as the disastrous third century progressed, the various Emperors and other civic leaders of the Empire blamed its numerous woes such as pestilences and natural disasters on the “superstition” of Christians who refused to submit to the “piety” of the State Religion and its associated Pagan cults. [/QUOTE]
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