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Earth in hot water? Worries over sudden ocean warming spike
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<blockquote data-quote="sjastro" data-source="post: 77649723" data-attributes="member: 352921"><p>Let’s try again with lower stratospheric cooling, this time with pictures.</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]346429[/ATTACH]</p> <p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]346430[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>We stupid humans have been able to change earth’s thermodynamic behaviour through AGW.</p><p>We are now at or near a tipping point beyond which reversing AGW becomes increasingly more difficult if not impossible. </p><p></p><p>Throughout out earth’s geological history various factors have caused global warming.</p><p>(1) Variations in earth's orbit affecting the eccentricity of the orbit around the sun, as well as the precession and tilt of earth's rotational axis.</p><p>(2) Solar variability resulting in an increase of solar radiation striking the earth’s surface.</p><p>(3) Paleogeographic changes where the location and movement of continents, mountain uplift, and the opening or closing of ocean passages have significantly influenced climate patterns.</p><p>(4) Volcanic emissions.</p><p>(5) Atmospheric composition such as fluctuations in the levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, water vapour and methane in the atmosphere.</p><p>(6) Ocean currents where the movement of ocean currents are influenced by earth's rotation and temperature differences between the tropics and poles resulting in redistribution of heat and moisture across the planet's surface.</p><p></p><p>None of these naturally occurring events will cause the lower stratosphere and troposphere to be <u>out of phase</u>.</p><p>For example volcanic emissions will increase CO₂ levels but also particulate matter and aerosol levels which can have both a net cooling or heating effect on the lower stratosphere and troposphere which remain <u>in phase</u>.</p><p>Increases in atmospheric greenhouse gases has been driven by increases in temperature in the lower stratosphere and troposphere which remain <u>in phase</u>.</p><p></p><p>You quoted the Bible and stated our fate is sealed and there is nothing we can do.</p><p>This is a cop out, an attack on science’s attempt of restoring CO₂ equilibrium levels and shows a definite lack of moral responsibility towards the plight of future generations.</p><p></p><p>CO₂ emissions continue to increase.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh come now isn’t your “time is made up” theme motivated by creationism and nothing can be older than the genealogies in the Bible?</p><p>Any evidence which contradicts the Bible can therefore be summarily dismissed as time is simply made up and is nothing more than a measurement.</p><p></p><p>The energy-time relationship ΔE.Δt ≥ h/4π of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle mentioned previously destroys this argument.</p><p>There is no mathematical operator for time T in quantum mechanics which takes on the form T|Ψ> = t|Ψ> where t is the time measurement, unlike energy E , position x and momentum p which are measurable according the equations H|Ψ> = E|Ψ>, X|Ψ> = x|Ψ> and P|Ψ> = p|Ψ> respectively.</p><p></p><p>Δt is a physical time difference which explains why virtual particles can pop into and out existence in a quantum vacuum lasting only a sextillionth of a second to the half-life of ²³⁸U which is 4.46 billion years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sjastro, post: 77649723, member: 352921"] Let’s try again with lower stratospheric cooling, this time with pictures. [CENTER][ATTACH type="full" alt="cooling.jpg"]346429[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="cooling2.jpg"]346430[/ATTACH][/CENTER] We stupid humans have been able to change earth’s thermodynamic behaviour through AGW. We are now at or near a tipping point beyond which reversing AGW becomes increasingly more difficult if not impossible. Throughout out earth’s geological history various factors have caused global warming. (1) Variations in earth's orbit affecting the eccentricity of the orbit around the sun, as well as the precession and tilt of earth's rotational axis. (2) Solar variability resulting in an increase of solar radiation striking the earth’s surface. (3) Paleogeographic changes where the location and movement of continents, mountain uplift, and the opening or closing of ocean passages have significantly influenced climate patterns. (4) Volcanic emissions. (5) Atmospheric composition such as fluctuations in the levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, water vapour and methane in the atmosphere. (6) Ocean currents where the movement of ocean currents are influenced by earth's rotation and temperature differences between the tropics and poles resulting in redistribution of heat and moisture across the planet's surface. None of these naturally occurring events will cause the lower stratosphere and troposphere to be [U]out of phase[/U]. For example volcanic emissions will increase CO₂ levels but also particulate matter and aerosol levels which can have both a net cooling or heating effect on the lower stratosphere and troposphere which remain [U]in phase[/U]. Increases in atmospheric greenhouse gases has been driven by increases in temperature in the lower stratosphere and troposphere which remain [U]in phase[/U]. You quoted the Bible and stated our fate is sealed and there is nothing we can do. This is a cop out, an attack on science’s attempt of restoring CO₂ equilibrium levels and shows a definite lack of moral responsibility towards the plight of future generations. CO₂ emissions continue to increase. Oh come now isn’t your “time is made up” theme motivated by creationism and nothing can be older than the genealogies in the Bible? Any evidence which contradicts the Bible can therefore be summarily dismissed as time is simply made up and is nothing more than a measurement. The energy-time relationship ΔE.Δt ≥ h/4π of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle mentioned previously destroys this argument. There is no mathematical operator for time T in quantum mechanics which takes on the form T|Ψ> = t|Ψ> where t is the time measurement, unlike energy E , position x and momentum p which are measurable according the equations H|Ψ> = E|Ψ>, X|Ψ> = x|Ψ> and P|Ψ> = p|Ψ> respectively. Δt is a physical time difference which explains why virtual particles can pop into and out existence in a quantum vacuum lasting only a sextillionth of a second to the half-life of ²³⁸U which is 4.46 billion years. [/QUOTE]
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