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<blockquote data-quote="Neogaia777" data-source="post: 77463736" data-attributes="member: 294131"><p>And I guess I shouldn't quite let this one go about Abraham and Issac, and God in the OT or God the Holy Spirit, etc, without mentioning Issac also, since I mostly only mentioned Abraham.</p><p></p><p>Abraham was old, like way old, and in fact, Abraham would die physically very shortly after this, etc, and Issac was about a 30 year old full grown man, and not a boy like many would have you believe, etc.</p><p></p><p>This was a test for both Abraham and Issac, because Issac could have very, very easily not allowed Abraham to do it, and could have very, very easily gotten out of it, as physically, Issac was much, much stronger than Abraham was, by like, "a lot" at this point in time, etc, and he didn't have to allow his father to bind him, and he didn't have to voluntarily get on that altar with wood ready to burn stacked all around it, etc, anyway, Isaac with just a momentary flex of just one of his muscles didn't have to allow it, so him voluntarily doing it, or fully submitting to it, is very, very, very important here, etc.</p><p></p><p>Issac had to trust both his father, and the God of his father, that this was God's will right now for the both of them right now. And do it fully voluntarily, and of his own free will, without ever at all trying to free himself, or get out of it, which He could have very easily done at any time very, very easily, etc, so there was a lot of faith and trust going on here for both of them, etc. Issac in his father and his fathers God, and Abraham in his son Issac and his own God, etc.</p><p></p><p>They probably both knew of the promise, etc, and didn't see how it could be fulfilled or carried out without Issac, etc, but Issac trusted his father and his fathers God, and Abraham had to trust both his son Issac, and his own God, etc, and the Bible says "beyond hope" also, since that, without a resurrection from the dead, something that had never ever happened before at this point, the promise could not ever be fulfilled or carried out, etc.</p><p></p><p>God in the OT or God the Holy Spirit was given a similar command I think, and is a picture of what he would have to eventually do with his own one and only child of promise, only begotten biological son Jesus Christ, and the test or situation would be the exact same for them, but just bump it all up one level, etc.</p><p></p><p>Jesus said "No one takes my life from me, but I lay it down by my own free will, and I shall rise or it shall be taken up again, and about this command I have heard/received from my father", etc.</p><p></p><p>Well, if he figured this all out that I am right now telling you right now, etc, about Abraham and Issac, etc, and God in the OT or God the Holy Spirit (and His Father), etc, then he could have very easily learned this this way, with that perspective on it, etc.</p><p></p><p>Issac was a/the child that had a promise attached to him, that he would be the only child or Abraham and his truly beloved wife Sarah, and that a great nation and an innumerable amount of descendants would come from him, etc, and that's kind of hard to do or accomplish or make happen if he is dead, etc, and spiritually this same can be applied to Jesus, only it would be Jesus spiritual sons and daughters who were transformed or changed by him, or were born again spiritually by the gospel, and his words, etc.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I didn't want to leave this behind without forgetting to mention this about it also.</p><p></p><p>God Bless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neogaia777, post: 77463736, member: 294131"] And I guess I shouldn't quite let this one go about Abraham and Issac, and God in the OT or God the Holy Spirit, etc, without mentioning Issac also, since I mostly only mentioned Abraham. Abraham was old, like way old, and in fact, Abraham would die physically very shortly after this, etc, and Issac was about a 30 year old full grown man, and not a boy like many would have you believe, etc. This was a test for both Abraham and Issac, because Issac could have very, very easily not allowed Abraham to do it, and could have very, very easily gotten out of it, as physically, Issac was much, much stronger than Abraham was, by like, "a lot" at this point in time, etc, and he didn't have to allow his father to bind him, and he didn't have to voluntarily get on that altar with wood ready to burn stacked all around it, etc, anyway, Isaac with just a momentary flex of just one of his muscles didn't have to allow it, so him voluntarily doing it, or fully submitting to it, is very, very, very important here, etc. Issac had to trust both his father, and the God of his father, that this was God's will right now for the both of them right now. And do it fully voluntarily, and of his own free will, without ever at all trying to free himself, or get out of it, which He could have very easily done at any time very, very easily, etc, so there was a lot of faith and trust going on here for both of them, etc. Issac in his father and his fathers God, and Abraham in his son Issac and his own God, etc. They probably both knew of the promise, etc, and didn't see how it could be fulfilled or carried out without Issac, etc, but Issac trusted his father and his fathers God, and Abraham had to trust both his son Issac, and his own God, etc, and the Bible says "beyond hope" also, since that, without a resurrection from the dead, something that had never ever happened before at this point, the promise could not ever be fulfilled or carried out, etc. God in the OT or God the Holy Spirit was given a similar command I think, and is a picture of what he would have to eventually do with his own one and only child of promise, only begotten biological son Jesus Christ, and the test or situation would be the exact same for them, but just bump it all up one level, etc. Jesus said "No one takes my life from me, but I lay it down by my own free will, and I shall rise or it shall be taken up again, and about this command I have heard/received from my father", etc. Well, if he figured this all out that I am right now telling you right now, etc, about Abraham and Issac, etc, and God in the OT or God the Holy Spirit (and His Father), etc, then he could have very easily learned this this way, with that perspective on it, etc. Issac was a/the child that had a promise attached to him, that he would be the only child or Abraham and his truly beloved wife Sarah, and that a great nation and an innumerable amount of descendants would come from him, etc, and that's kind of hard to do or accomplish or make happen if he is dead, etc, and spiritually this same can be applied to Jesus, only it would be Jesus spiritual sons and daughters who were transformed or changed by him, or were born again spiritually by the gospel, and his words, etc. Anyway, I didn't want to leave this behind without forgetting to mention this about it also. God Bless. [/QUOTE]
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