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<blockquote data-quote="philadelphos" data-source="post: 76945770" data-attributes="member: 420433"><p>"All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." (Rom 8:28)</p><p></p><p>Jews/Israelites is both a religion, culture, and ethnicity, but "muslim" refers only to religion and not an individual's ethnicity. A muslim person could be anything from the original descendants of Ishmael, to Turks, Chinese or Central Asians in Xinjiang, Hindus in Pakistan, etc, to a local Scandinavian. This is the trouble. Also, many 'muslim countries' actually more biblical laws and cultures than Western Christian countries or Israel. This is the irony. The West is often only 'Christian' in name, but there is no Christ or Scripture behind the scenes.</p><p></p><p>Jews should be celebrated as God's chosen, but currently God's favour has departed since Christ and the following destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem. Then when the Jewish diaspora is combined with the inhospitableness of local goyim it's a recipe for disaster. </p><p></p><p>Many churches believe in the OT, Tanak and Torah, but there's a disconnect when it comes to it's relevance and application since we follow Christ and are a chosen by the Holy Spirit, less Moses and from the Exodus. We are not genetically born of 'Israel' but spiritually born from God, mentally/ideologically. But there is clearly a lot of error and false teaching in our churches also. In theology it's called 'supercessionism' or 'replacement theology'. This IMO is the main theological error, and reason for anti-semitism. Also in general Christians do acknowledge and respect Jewishness in Christ, the apostles, and everything Judaic or Hebraic in Scripture, however not as 'Jewish' necessarily but more as Davidic or Abrahamic, as the basis of the kingdom and salvation. </p><p></p><p>e.g. Romans 4, "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all." (Rom 4:16)</p><p></p><p>The other confusion is that because during Christ's life Jerusalem's corruption was at its peak, with the main groups in Jerusalem, the High Priests, Sadducees, pharisees, all 3 groups are perceived as corrupt. The 'Pharisees' especially are seen as villains who "killed Christ". Nowadays it's not uncomoon for Christians to use the word 'pharisee' as a passive-aggressive insult. But many fail to realise that modern Christian churches are based on 'reformed Judaism' as well Christ and New Covenant concepts, following the system set by the pharisees after the temple was destroyed. i.e. Christians ARE pharisees more or less. Another irony.</p><p></p><p>If Swedes are as you say, I'm not sure if its limited to certain geographics or demographics, but it's sad and misguided. Also it would seem to be a symptomatic of something bigger. </p><p></p><p>One of my colleagues came from Sweden and he has some very entitled and bigoted ideas. One time he was talking about "healthcare" and then related it to "Christ", as if implying Christ <em>is</em> healthcare. It's another topic altogether, but there a many people who are problematically addicted to numerous pharmaceutical products and die in hospitals. Yet Scandinavians rely on and trust the state in almost every aspect of life. This is quite problematic.</p><p></p><p>"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. ...Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God:" (Ps 146:3-5)</p><p></p><p>Honouring the monarchy and government is commanded (Mt 22), so this right, but it seems the state is either too big or the people are too small, and there's a disconnect between God and his people.</p><p></p><p>For instance, you take the bus, which is the norm and cultural (please correct me if mistaken), and I like that option too, but not every place can be reached by public transport and not most efficiently either if there are multiple back and forth trips in a day. So a car or truck is the most popular preference worldwide, irrespective of the fossil-fuel debate this is the norm. But the Norwegian drivers license costs 30,000 NOK, or $3,675 which for some that is a years worth of energy bills and a large portion of their living wage. So I realise there are reasons for that but the bottom line doesn't seem just, fair, equitable or accessible to all, but it makes driving exclusive to the rich only and forces the people to be reliant on state services. Without freedom to choose what difference is that from becoming herded cattle. I see this pattern in many areas. The irony and hypocrisy is that there are such beautiful laws like <em>Allemannsretten</em> ("everyman's right") where everyone has the right/freedom to roam without being accused of 'trespass'. What happened to that?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="philadelphos, post: 76945770, member: 420433"] "All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." (Rom 8:28) Jews/Israelites is both a religion, culture, and ethnicity, but "muslim" refers only to religion and not an individual's ethnicity. A muslim person could be anything from the original descendants of Ishmael, to Turks, Chinese or Central Asians in Xinjiang, Hindus in Pakistan, etc, to a local Scandinavian. This is the trouble. Also, many 'muslim countries' actually more biblical laws and cultures than Western Christian countries or Israel. This is the irony. The West is often only 'Christian' in name, but there is no Christ or Scripture behind the scenes. Jews should be celebrated as God's chosen, but currently God's favour has departed since Christ and the following destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem. Then when the Jewish diaspora is combined with the inhospitableness of local goyim it's a recipe for disaster. Many churches believe in the OT, Tanak and Torah, but there's a disconnect when it comes to it's relevance and application since we follow Christ and are a chosen by the Holy Spirit, less Moses and from the Exodus. We are not genetically born of 'Israel' but spiritually born from God, mentally/ideologically. But there is clearly a lot of error and false teaching in our churches also. In theology it's called 'supercessionism' or 'replacement theology'. This IMO is the main theological error, and reason for anti-semitism. Also in general Christians do acknowledge and respect Jewishness in Christ, the apostles, and everything Judaic or Hebraic in Scripture, however not as 'Jewish' necessarily but more as Davidic or Abrahamic, as the basis of the kingdom and salvation. e.g. Romans 4, "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all." (Rom 4:16) The other confusion is that because during Christ's life Jerusalem's corruption was at its peak, with the main groups in Jerusalem, the High Priests, Sadducees, pharisees, all 3 groups are perceived as corrupt. The 'Pharisees' especially are seen as villains who "killed Christ". Nowadays it's not uncomoon for Christians to use the word 'pharisee' as a passive-aggressive insult. But many fail to realise that modern Christian churches are based on 'reformed Judaism' as well Christ and New Covenant concepts, following the system set by the pharisees after the temple was destroyed. i.e. Christians ARE pharisees more or less. Another irony. If Swedes are as you say, I'm not sure if its limited to certain geographics or demographics, but it's sad and misguided. Also it would seem to be a symptomatic of something bigger. One of my colleagues came from Sweden and he has some very entitled and bigoted ideas. One time he was talking about "healthcare" and then related it to "Christ", as if implying Christ [I]is[/I] healthcare. It's another topic altogether, but there a many people who are problematically addicted to numerous pharmaceutical products and die in hospitals. Yet Scandinavians rely on and trust the state in almost every aspect of life. This is quite problematic. "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. ...Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God:" (Ps 146:3-5) Honouring the monarchy and government is commanded (Mt 22), so this right, but it seems the state is either too big or the people are too small, and there's a disconnect between God and his people. For instance, you take the bus, which is the norm and cultural (please correct me if mistaken), and I like that option too, but not every place can be reached by public transport and not most efficiently either if there are multiple back and forth trips in a day. So a car or truck is the most popular preference worldwide, irrespective of the fossil-fuel debate this is the norm. But the Norwegian drivers license costs 30,000 NOK, or $3,675 which for some that is a years worth of energy bills and a large portion of their living wage. So I realise there are reasons for that but the bottom line doesn't seem just, fair, equitable or accessible to all, but it makes driving exclusive to the rich only and forces the people to be reliant on state services. Without freedom to choose what difference is that from becoming herded cattle. I see this pattern in many areas. The irony and hypocrisy is that there are such beautiful laws like [I]Allemannsretten[/I] ("everyman's right") where everyone has the right/freedom to roam without being accused of 'trespass'. What happened to that? [/QUOTE]
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