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Struggles by Non-Christians
Can a skeptic on the fence have a personal encounter with God?
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<blockquote data-quote="2PhiloVoid" data-source="post: 77450124" data-attributes="member: 167101"><p>Do you see that your attempt at a deduction is neither Valid nor Sound? You'll need a lot more to substantiate your personal "seemings" than what mere hasty generalizations can afford you.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't really "follow" by some sort of causal fiat that what can be termed as an amorphous conceptual spirituality has any semblance, let alone analogous patterns or meanings, to the structures of the physical world and its natural systems.</p><p></p><p>Also, the act of simply reading the biblical texts in the Gospels pertaining to either demons that cannot be cast out without prayer [and fasting] or to the report that Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days doesn't demonstrate in any way that there is some sort of "spiritual law" at work. No, it'll take much more to exegete those passages and draw out any bona fide implications about spiritual rules or laws, if they even exist, than what your simple references to these passages can provide.</p><p></p><p>As for attributions of a "formula," I'm not citing that such a thing actually exists. No, I'm citing the sort of ideas and nomenclature that Faith Movements teachers have put forth by their own words and from their own notions about the nature of the Christian faith. I don't believe in formulas, spiritual laws or spiritual guarantees, at least not of the sort that can be easily recognized, tested and measured.</p><p></p><p>So, I hate to say this, but it is actually your attempt at "logic" that is questionable here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it's incumbent upon you to firmly demonstrate and cite why anyone should think there is ...</p><p></p><p>But if you want an example, I suppose we could start with looking again at Paul's askance of the Lord to heal his ailing eye-sight (... to which the Lord apparently said "No" three times).</p><p></p><p>Maybe it's time to read more intensive books then?</p><p></p><p></p><p>You and I must be reading and hearing a vastly different set of testimonies then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="2PhiloVoid, post: 77450124, member: 167101"] Do you see that your attempt at a deduction is neither Valid nor Sound? You'll need a lot more to substantiate your personal "seemings" than what mere hasty generalizations can afford you. It doesn't really "follow" by some sort of causal fiat that what can be termed as an amorphous conceptual spirituality has any semblance, let alone analogous patterns or meanings, to the structures of the physical world and its natural systems. Also, the act of simply reading the biblical texts in the Gospels pertaining to either demons that cannot be cast out without prayer [and fasting] or to the report that Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days doesn't demonstrate in any way that there is some sort of "spiritual law" at work. No, it'll take much more to exegete those passages and draw out any bona fide implications about spiritual rules or laws, if they even exist, than what your simple references to these passages can provide. As for attributions of a "formula," I'm not citing that such a thing actually exists. No, I'm citing the sort of ideas and nomenclature that Faith Movements teachers have put forth by their own words and from their own notions about the nature of the Christian faith. I don't believe in formulas, spiritual laws or spiritual guarantees, at least not of the sort that can be easily recognized, tested and measured. So, I hate to say this, but it is actually your attempt at "logic" that is questionable here. No, it's incumbent upon you to firmly demonstrate and cite why anyone should think there is ... But if you want an example, I suppose we could start with looking again at Paul's askance of the Lord to heal his ailing eye-sight (... to which the Lord apparently said "No" three times). Maybe it's time to read more intensive books then? You and I must be reading and hearing a vastly different set of testimonies then. [/QUOTE]
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