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Struggles by Non-Christians
Can a skeptic on the fence have a personal encounter with God?
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<blockquote data-quote="coffee4u" data-source="post: 77180495" data-attributes="member: 415399"><p>I think that depends on a few things. Are you actively seeking or not seeking? What exactly do you mean by encounter? If you expect God to do a miracle or song and dance show then you will be forever waiting. I've heard people say "If God did a miracle in front of me I would believe" My reply is really? I highly doubt that. God did miracles in front of the ancient Israelite's and they believed for maybe a few days before doubting again. There is a difference between belief that comes from the intellect and belief that comes from the heart. The intellect needs constant proofs the heart believes even when there is no proof.</p><h3><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">1 Kings 19:11-13</span></strong></span><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"></span></h3> <h3><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>11 The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.”</strong></span></span></h3> <h3><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.</strong></span></span></h3> <h3><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><strong>Then a voice said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”</strong></span></span></h3> <h3><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>People desperately want God to be in the earthquakes, the fire, the big things, but most times God is in the whisper and they are making too much 'noise' to even notice. </strong></span></h3><h3><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Things of the spirit are felt and known by the spirit. Things of the mind are known and understood by the mind, but its easy to mix up mind and spirit and for the mind and body to reject things of the spirit so they don't get felt or experienced. </span></strong></h3><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><span style="font-size: 15px">1 Corinthians 2:14</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>If you think of Peter getting out of the boat to walk on the water to Jesus it was his faith, his spirit that gave him that connection, yet his mind saw and analyzed the danger that his body felt and because his faith was weak and small in comparison to his mind, so he began to sink. The mind fights the spirit because the spirit is so much weaker. </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><h3><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>I read the Bible and the encounter was the overwhelming feeling of knowing how sinful and of need of saving I was. A need to fall face first and repent. Most people are not after that kind of experience, because it isn't pandering to their ego- their mind, but that is most likely the type of experience it would be. </strong></span></h3> <h3></h3> <h3></h3><h3></h3></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="coffee4u, post: 77180495, member: 415399"] I think that depends on a few things. Are you actively seeking or not seeking? What exactly do you mean by encounter? If you expect God to do a miracle or song and dance show then you will be forever waiting. I've heard people say "If God did a miracle in front of me I would believe" My reply is really? I highly doubt that. God did miracles in front of the ancient Israelite's and they believed for maybe a few days before doubting again. There is a difference between belief that comes from the intellect and belief that comes from the heart. The intellect needs constant proofs the heart believes even when there is no proof. [HEADING=2][SIZE=4][B][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]1 Kings 19:11-13[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] [SIZE=4][B]11 The Lord said, “Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)][B]Then a voice said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][B][/B] [SIZE=4][B]People desperately want God to be in the earthquakes, the fire, the big things, but most times God is in the whisper and they are making too much 'noise' to even notice. [/B][/SIZE][/HEADING] [HEADING=2][B][SIZE=4]Things of the spirit are felt and known by the spirit. Things of the mind are known and understood by the mind, but its easy to mix up mind and spirit and for the mind and body to reject things of the spirit so they don't get felt or experienced. [/SIZE][/B][/HEADING] [SIZE=4][B][/B][/SIZE] [COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)][SIZE=4]1 Corinthians 2:14[/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][B][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.[/COLOR] If you think of Peter getting out of the boat to walk on the water to Jesus it was his faith, his spirit that gave him that connection, yet his mind saw and analyzed the danger that his body felt and because his faith was weak and small in comparison to his mind, so he began to sink. The mind fights the spirit because the spirit is so much weaker. [/B][/SIZE] [HEADING=2][SIZE=4][B]I read the Bible and the encounter was the overwhelming feeling of knowing how sinful and of need of saving I was. A need to fall face first and repent. Most people are not after that kind of experience, because it isn't pandering to their ego- their mind, but that is most likely the type of experience it would be. [/B][/SIZE] [/HEADING] [HEADING=2][/HEADING] [SIZE=4][B][/B][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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