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Bill Barr Triggers CNN’s Kaitlan Collins, Won’t Back Down on Voting For Trump
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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 77657808" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>But like I was alluding to before, what would you honestly expect Bill Barr's response to be?</p><p></p><p>If he's a social and fiscal conservative, is he supposed to vote for the other team (who disagrees with him on all of that) simply because the deeply flawed horse that the GOP has hitched their wagon to made fun of him?</p><p></p><p>I think we need to be somewhat realistic about the nature of two-party politics. In a two-party system "not letting the other side (that disagrees with me on almost everything) win and get all the things they want" is equally important to people as actually liking their own candidate.</p><p></p><p>Appealing to things like "democracy is at stake" and "democratic norms" in a vague abstract sense (or in the form of generic platitudes)...like Collins was doing... is a textbook case of <em>missing the forest for the trees.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't believe for a second that if the shoe was on the other foot, progressives would hold to their own standard on that one.</p><p></p><p>If there was a sincere (and scandal free) republican, who happened to be against gay marriage, staunchly pro-life, and thought climate change was a hoax, running against an election denying person who liked to occasionally whip their minions up into a frenzy, but was progressive on LGBTQ, Abortion, and Climate... I don't believe for a second that progressives would vote for the GOP candidate in the name of "preserving democracy and democratic norms."</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the example I provided before is apropos...</p><p></p><p>There's a federal election, the two choices are Paul Ryan and Bob Menendez... who are progressives voting for? The guy who agrees with them on the majority of the issues, who's under investigation for bribery, extortion, and wire fraud? Or the scandal-free Tea Party guy who opposes them on virtually every issue?</p><p></p><p>We both know the answer to that, right?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 77657808, member: 123415"] But like I was alluding to before, what would you honestly expect Bill Barr's response to be? If he's a social and fiscal conservative, is he supposed to vote for the other team (who disagrees with him on all of that) simply because the deeply flawed horse that the GOP has hitched their wagon to made fun of him? I think we need to be somewhat realistic about the nature of two-party politics. In a two-party system "not letting the other side (that disagrees with me on almost everything) win and get all the things they want" is equally important to people as actually liking their own candidate. Appealing to things like "democracy is at stake" and "democratic norms" in a vague abstract sense (or in the form of generic platitudes)...like Collins was doing... is a textbook case of [I]missing the forest for the trees.[/I] I don't believe for a second that if the shoe was on the other foot, progressives would hold to their own standard on that one. If there was a sincere (and scandal free) republican, who happened to be against gay marriage, staunchly pro-life, and thought climate change was a hoax, running against an election denying person who liked to occasionally whip their minions up into a frenzy, but was progressive on LGBTQ, Abortion, and Climate... I don't believe for a second that progressives would vote for the GOP candidate in the name of "preserving democracy and democratic norms." I think the example I provided before is apropos... There's a federal election, the two choices are Paul Ryan and Bob Menendez... who are progressives voting for? The guy who agrees with them on the majority of the issues, who's under investigation for bribery, extortion, and wire fraud? Or the scandal-free Tea Party guy who opposes them on virtually every issue? We both know the answer to that, right? [/QUOTE]
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