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Bible's King David's story somewhat repeats itself in during Queen Elizabeth II's monarchy's reign
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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous9090" data-source="post: 77655932" data-attributes="member: 440701"><p>The death of Queen Elizabeth II who was supposedly a</p><p> Christian caught my attention. ( Supposedly she did seek Christian counsel from Billy Graham).</p><p></p><p> I would like to sort of put forth the following analogy:</p><p></p><p> Queen Elizabeth II ---sort of roughly equivalent to--Bible Old Testament's King David</p><p></p><p> Prince Charles (now King Charles III) ----( sort of roughly equivalent to)--Prince Amnon ( one of King David's son who was initially the heir to the throne prior to being killed )</p><p></p><p> Princess Diana --( sort of roughly equivalent to 2 Bible characters</p><p> )---Bible Old Testament's Prince Absalom ( one of King David's sons</p><p> who revolted against him ) and Princess Tamar ( one of King David's</p><p> daughters who was raped by her half-brother Amnon )</p><p></p><p> Prince Philip, Princess Ann, Princess Margaret, Queen Elizabeth Queen</p><p> Mother ---( sort of roughly equivalent to ) --- Joab ( Commander</p><p> of David's army)</p><p></p><p> King David was Certainly Not a perfect person, but I do want to point</p><p> out some of the many honorable aspects about King David's life:</p><p></p><p> 1)-Bible Scripture emphasizes clearly that David is man after God's</p><p> own Heard as evidenced by the following 2 bible verses:</p><p></p><p> a) (Acts 13:22) After He had removed him, He raised up David to be</p><p> their king, concerning whom He also testified and said, ‘I have found</p><p> David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, who will do all My</p><p> [a]will.’</p><p></p><p> b) (1 Samuel 13:14) But now your kingdom shall not endure. The Lord</p><p> has sought out for Himself a man after His own heart, and the Lord has</p><p> appointed him as ruler over His people, because you have not kept what</p><p> the Lord commanded you.”</p><p></p><p> 2) When King Saul became an enemy of David, and started to hunt for</p><p> David, the response from King David was broadly compassionate &</p><p> gracious.</p><p></p><p> a) For example, in 1 Samuel 24:10-22, David responded to King Saul's</p><p> attempts to hunt David by restraining himself by Not responding</p><p> violently when he had a chance to kill King Saul in a cave, but</p><p> instead spoke to King Saul by claiming that he did Not want to harm</p><p> King Saul:</p><p> (1 Samuel 24:10)Behold, this day your eyes have seen that the Lord had</p><p> given you today into my hand in the cave, and some said to kill you,</p><p> but my eye had pity on you; and I said, ‘I will not stretch out my</p><p> hand against my lord, for he is the Lord’s</p><p> anointed.’".....................more</p><p> scripture..........</p><p> (1 Samuel 24:13) As the proverb of the ancients says, ‘Out of the</p><p> wicked comes forth wickedness’; but my hand shall not be against you.</p><p></p><p> b) Another example, in (1 Samuel 25:33-34) David listens to Godly</p><p> wisdom provided by Abigail which Stopped him from taking revenge:</p><p> </p><p> ( 1 Samuel 25:33-34 ) 33 and blessed be your discernment, and blessed</p><p> be you, who have kept me this day from [a]bloodshed and from avenging</p><p> myself by my own hand. ....more scripture....</p><p> until the morning light as much as one male.”</p><p></p><p> I'm Not saying Queen Elizabeth II was a perfect person( just like King</p><p> David was Not a perfect person), but I do want to point out some</p><p> honorable aspects about her life ( just like King David was honorable</p><p> ):</p><p></p><p> -At a very young age of 25 years old, she responsibly and dutifully</p><p> took the throne when her father suddenly unexpectedly died.</p><p></p><p> -For the most part, she kept a neutral role in politics but would</p><p> always diligently give her best advice in private to UK Prime Minister</p><p> on major issues</p><p> --Queen Elizabeth II wanted sanctions against South African</p><p> apartheid but the UK Prime Minister at the time, Margaret Thatcher,</p><p> did Not want to enforce sanctions against South Africa (</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.biography.com/news/queen-elizabeth-ii-margaret-thatcher-relationship[/URL]</p><p> )</p><p></p><p> -Queen Elizabeth II remained loyal to her husband, Prince Philip, in</p><p> their marriage even though her husband was a womanizer and adulterer</p><p> when they were young married couple.</p><p></p><p> Let's start off by looking at the similarities between King David to</p><p> Queen Elizabeth II. Other than David's illicit affair with Bathsheba, and his</p><p> responsibility for the murder of her husband, Uriah, let's also try to</p><p> analyze another sinful act by David that involved his inability to</p><p> bring justice after hearing about Amon raping his half-sister Tamar.</p><p></p><p></p><p> **It's very important and interesting to note that David merely had a</p><p> galling silent angry reaction when it came to hearing about Amnon</p><p> raping his half-sister Tamar, and David did Not enforce any sort of</p><p> justice as a response:</p><p> (2 Samuel 13:21 ) Now when King David heard of all these matters, he</p><p> was very angry.**</p><p></p><p></p><p> Queen Elizabeth II also was guilty of quasi-inaction because she, for</p><p> the most part, ignored Princess Diana's complaints about her husband,</p><p> Prince Charles, in regards to her adulterous love affair with Camilla</p><p> Parker Bowles:</p><p></p><p></p><p> ( Credited Reference:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/06/princess-diana-queen-elizabeth-relationship/[/URL]</p><p> )</p><p></p><p> (Quote)"Tensions emerged between Diana and the royal family, including</p><p> the queen, when their marriage hit romantic and then tabloid troubles.</p><p> The relationship worsened as Diana suffered from bulimia.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Diana told biographer Andrew Morton that during one conversation with</p><p> the queen, “she indicated to me that the reason why our marriage had</p><p> gone downhill was because Prince Charles was having such a difficult</p><p> time with my bulimia.”</p><p></p><p></p><p> “She hung her coat on the hook, so to speak,” Diana continued,</p><p> according to Morton. “And it made me realize that they all saw that as</p><p> the cause of the marriage problems and not one of the symptoms.”</p><p></p><p></p><p> Diana kept trying to confide in her mother-in-law. The queen, now 95,</p><p> grew weary of it all.</p><p></p><p></p><p> One afternoon, Diana stopped by to visit the queen and was made to</p><p> wait. “The princess,” a palace footman told the queen, according to</p><p> Seward, “cried three times in half-an-hour while she was waiting to</p><p> see you.” The queen’s reply: “I had her for an hour — and she cried</p><p> nonstop.”</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> In public, even as rumors of the prince’s affairs swirled, Diana was</p><p> still saying the right things — that the prince supported her, that he</p><p> was a good father and husband. “That was not what she was telling the</p><p> queen in their private meetings,” Seward wrote. “Charles, Diana kept</p><p> saying, was letting down the monarchy.”</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> The queen couldn’t deal with her daughter-in-law anymore. “Faced with</p><p> a situation that was slipping out of her control,” Seward wrote, “the</p><p> queen retreated from the problem and started seeing less of Diana.”</p><p></p><p></p><p> Let's now see the similarities between the bible characters named</p><p> Princess Tamar and Prince Absalom, and Princess Diana of modern day's</p><p> UK's monarchy.</p><p></p><p> Princess Tamar and Prince Absalom were really physically attractive</p><p> just like Princess Diana was attractive:</p><p></p><p> (2 Samuel 13:1 ) Now it was after this that Absalom the son of David</p><p> had a beautiful sister whose name was Tamar, and Amnon the son of</p><p> David loved her.</p><p></p><p> (2 Samuel 14:25-27 ) Now in all Israel was no one as handsome as</p><p> Absalom, so highly praised; from the sole of his foot to the crown of</p><p> his head there was no defect in him.....more scripture...</p><p> sons, and one daughter whose name was Tamar; she was a woman of</p><p> beautiful appearance.</p><p></p><p> Forgive me, however, it's also important to note that 2 Samuel</p><p> 16:20-22 recounts Prince Absalom's promiscuous lifestyle when had sex</p><p> with his father's concubines( who during King David's reign were</p><p> responsible for the upkeep of the Royal palaces, etc. ) which was</p><p> somewhat similar Princess Diana's promiscuous lifestyle:</p><p></p><p> (2 Samuel 16:20-22)</p><p> 20 Then Absalom said to Ahithophel, “Give your advice. What shall we</p><p> do?” 21 Ahithophel said to Absalom, ..more scripture.. 22 So they pitched a</p><p> tent for Absalom on the roof, and Absalom went in to his father’s</p><p> concubines in the sight of all Israel.</p><p></p><p> Not to sound vulgar, here is a listing of Princess Diana's numerous</p><p> extra-marital affairs:</p><p> ----------------------(Credit Reference:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tatler.com/gallery/princess-diana-boyfriends-lovers[/URL]</p><p> )------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p> Barry Albert Mannakee – 1985</p><p> </p><p> James Hewitt – 1986-1992</p><p></p><p> Oliver Hoare – 1992 to 1994</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> The Bible character named Prince Amnon is somewhat similar to Prince Charles.</p><p></p><p> Both are the heir apparent to their thrones.</p><p></p><p> Here is the bible passage that mentions Prince Amnon's raping his</p><p> half-sister, Tamar, and then subsequently intensely hating her:</p><p> (2 Samuel 13:11-22 ) When she brought them to him to eat, he took hold</p><p> of her and said to her, “Come, lie with me, my sister.” 12 But she</p><p> answered him, “No, my brother, do not violate me, for such a thing is</p><p> not done in Israel; do not do this disgraceful thing! 13 As for me,</p><p> where could I [a]get rid of my reproach? And as for you, you will be</p><p> like one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, please speak to the</p><p> king, for he will not withhold me from you.” 14 .....more scripture.. and she put her</p><p> hand on her head and went away, crying aloud as she went.</p><p> 20 Then Absalom her brother said .....more scripture...</p><p> matters, he was very angry. 22 But Absalom did not speak to Amnon</p><p> either good or bad; for Absalom hated Amnon because he had violated</p><p> his sister Tamar.</p><p></p><p> Now, Prince Charles's troubled marriage to Princess Diana is certainly</p><p> Not tantamount to Prince Amnon raping Princess Tamar. However, Prince</p><p> Charles and Princess Diana's marriage did End painfully:</p><p></p><p> (credited reference:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/charles-and-diana-divorce[/URL]</p><p> )</p><p></p><p> "Before long, however, the fairy tale couple grew apart, an experience</p><p> that was particularly painful under the ubiquitous eyes of the world’s</p><p> tabloid media. Diana and Charles announced a separation in 1992,</p><p> though they continued to carry out their royal duties. In August 1996,</p><p> two months after Queen Elizabeth II urged the couple to divorce, the</p><p> prince and princess reached a final agreement. In exchange for a</p><p> generous settlement, and the right to retain her apartments at</p><p> Kensington Palace and her title of “Princess of Wales,” Diana agreed</p><p> to relinquish the title of “Her Royal Highness” and any future claims</p><p> to the British throne.</p><p> In the year following the divorce, the popular princess seemed well on</p><p> her way to achieving her dream of becoming “a queen in people’s</p><p> hearts,” but on August 31, 1997, she was killed with her companion</p><p> Dodi Fayed in a car accident in Paris."</p><p></p><p> </p><p> We, as bible readers, can probably infer/deduce that David's silence,</p><p> and lack of enforcing justice as King of Israel in response to Amon</p><p> raping Tamar is what led to Absalom's violent & vicious response.</p><p></p><p> Princess Diana's response to how Queen Elizabeth II and the royal</p><p> family for the most part ignored her complaints about Prince Charles's</p><p> illicit affair with Camilla Parker Bowles might Not have been as</p><p> violent and vicious as Absalom which involved killing his brother</p><p> Amnon out of revenge, and then leading a violent coup but it still was</p><p> damaging to Queen Elizabeth II's monarchy. Princess Diana publicly</p><p> battled against Queen Elizabeth II and her royal family by using the</p><p> media and press.</p><p></p><p> To elaborate, she was secretly involved in Indirectly encouraging the</p><p> writing of a tell-all book:</p><p> ( Credited Reference:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/30/world/now-it-can-be-told-1992-tell-all-book-s-source-was-diana.html[/URL]</p><p> )</p><p> (Quote) "The principal source disclosing details of the Princess of</p><p> Wales's unhappy marriage to Prince Charles and her troubled relations</p><p> with the royal family for the 1992 book ''Diana, Her True Story,'' was</p><p> Diana herself, the author, Andrew Morton, said today."</p><p></p><p> Furthermore, Princess Diana also went to give a public TV interview</p><p> about the troubles behind her marriage:</p><p></p><p> [MEDIA=youtube]8lflg5m7cbY:36[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p> Also, more specifically, Search the internet for Princess Diana's 20</p><p> November 1995 BBC</p><p> Interview where she stated “I’d like to be a queen of people’s hearts”</p><p> ( Side Note: Understand the similarity with Absalom's</p><p> rising popularity among the Israelites by grandstanding which is</p><p> recounted in the ( 2 Samuel 15:1-6 ) bible passage. )</p><p></p><p> (2 Samuel 15:1-6)</p><p> 15 Now it came about after this that Absalom provided for himself a</p><p> chariot and horses and fifty men as runners before him. 2 Absalom used</p><p> to rise early and ....more scripture And he would say, “Your servant is</p><p> from one of the tribes of Israel.” 3 Then Absalom would say to him,</p><p> “See, your [a]claims are good and right, but no man listens to you on</p><p> the part of the king.”.....more scripture....</p><p> and take hold of him and kiss him. 6 In this manner Absalom dealt with</p><p> all Israel who came to the king for judgment; so Absalom stole away</p><p> the hearts of the men of Israel.</p><p> ( -------------------------------------------------- Credit Reference:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.vox.com/culture/21593569/princess-diana-explainer-crown-netflix-marilyn-monroe-britney-spears-innocence[/URL]</p><p> )</p><p> When pop culture’s princesses are virgins, the press treats their</p><p> sexuality as unthreatening. They are hot, but not in a scary way; they</p><p> don’t know what they’re doing; they are safe to want.</p><p></p><p> But if they begin to wield their sexuality knowingly, everything</p><p> changes. And their relationship with the public changes, too.</p><p></p><p> The big question with Diana, the question on the cover of The Diana</p><p> Chronicles: How much of it did she do on purpose?</p><p></p><p></p><p> “Was she ‘the people’s princess,’ who electrified the world with her</p><p> beauty and humanitarian missions?” asks Brown. “Or was she a</p><p> manipulative, media-savvy neurotic who nearly brought down the</p><p> monarchy?”</p><p></p><p> Any honest reckoning of Diana would have to say the answer to that</p><p> question is both. She was beautiful; she did have a remarkable gift</p><p> for connecting with disenfranchised people doing humanitarian work —</p><p> and she also spent much of her time as Princess of Wales in the grips</p><p> of bulimia and suicidal ideation, using her skill with the press as</p><p> her most potent weapon against the Windsors.</p><p></p><p> **Throughout Diana’s marriage to Charles, she consistently outshined</p><p> and outworked him. At public gatherings and charity events, she was</p><p> able to genuinely connect with the crowds in a way Charles couldn’t.</p><p> She would crouch down on her knees to talk to the kids. She would</p><p> shake hands with an AIDS patient. Such moments established both her</p><p> reputation as the “people’s princess” — the saint in the killer</p><p> designer suit who could love her subjects more than anyone else could,</p><p> who could transcend the monarchy — and her reputation as a schemer who</p><p> was upstaging the monarchy on purpose, out of selfishness and greed.</p><p> And after Diana’s divorce from Charles in 1996, as she partied her way</p><p> across multiple continents and began campaigning against land mines,</p><p> those two ideas became ever stronger.**</p><p></p><p> But Brown frames her question in a way that suggests these two</p><p> opposing images of Diana are mutually exclusive. The idea that Diana</p><p> might have been intentionally using the press, that she might have</p><p> desired to be as famous and beloved as she was and that she might have</p><p> intentionally wielded her beauty and charisma to get there, seems to</p><p> somehow negate the idea of saintly Diana, the people’s princess.</p><p></p><p> And if Diana courted the press, if she used them in the same way they</p><p> used her — well, how does that square with the way she died? How can</p><p> we say that Diana was using the press that drove her off the road and</p><p> to her death?</p><p></p><p> All of Princess Diana's aforementioned public responses really did</p><p> hurt the public image of Queen Elizabeth II, and her royal family.</p><p></p><p> Finally, Just like Absalom's violent death, Princess Diana also died violently</p><p></p><p> To me, it was really interesting how Bible stories sometimes are</p><p> repeated in today's world.</p><p> (Major Side Conclusion: A Highly relevant bible verse associated with</p><p> Princess Diana's story is (Ecclesiastes 9:11) "I again saw under the</p><p> sun that the race is Not to the swift ... more scripture...for time and chance overtake</p><p> them all." The reason being is that Princess Diana was very physically</p><p> attractive and had an aristocratic background but was Not loved by her</p><p> royal princely husband, and was merely used by other men in her life</p><p> for short-term flings. Therefore, even though you might expect her to</p><p> have a happy family life by being in a royal marriage with wonderful</p><p>children, her life was a tragedy. )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous9090, post: 77655932, member: 440701"] The death of Queen Elizabeth II who was supposedly a Christian caught my attention. ( Supposedly she did seek Christian counsel from Billy Graham). I would like to sort of put forth the following analogy: Queen Elizabeth II ---sort of roughly equivalent to--Bible Old Testament's King David Prince Charles (now King Charles III) ----( sort of roughly equivalent to)--Prince Amnon ( one of King David's son who was initially the heir to the throne prior to being killed ) Princess Diana --( sort of roughly equivalent to 2 Bible characters )---Bible Old Testament's Prince Absalom ( one of King David's sons who revolted against him ) and Princess Tamar ( one of King David's daughters who was raped by her half-brother Amnon ) Prince Philip, Princess Ann, Princess Margaret, Queen Elizabeth Queen Mother ---( sort of roughly equivalent to ) --- Joab ( Commander of David's army) King David was Certainly Not a perfect person, but I do want to point out some of the many honorable aspects about King David's life: 1)-Bible Scripture emphasizes clearly that David is man after God's own Heard as evidenced by the following 2 bible verses: a) (Acts 13:22) After He had removed him, He raised up David to be their king, concerning whom He also testified and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, who will do all My [a]will.’ b) (1 Samuel 13:14) But now your kingdom shall not endure. The Lord has sought out for Himself a man after His own heart, and the Lord has appointed him as ruler over His people, because you have not kept what the Lord commanded you.” 2) When King Saul became an enemy of David, and started to hunt for David, the response from King David was broadly compassionate & gracious. a) For example, in 1 Samuel 24:10-22, David responded to King Saul's attempts to hunt David by restraining himself by Not responding violently when he had a chance to kill King Saul in a cave, but instead spoke to King Saul by claiming that he did Not want to harm King Saul: (1 Samuel 24:10)Behold, this day your eyes have seen that the Lord had given you today into my hand in the cave, and some said to kill you, but my eye had pity on you; and I said, ‘I will not stretch out my hand against my lord, for he is the Lord’s anointed.’".....................more scripture.......... (1 Samuel 24:13) As the proverb of the ancients says, ‘Out of the wicked comes forth wickedness’; but my hand shall not be against you. b) Another example, in (1 Samuel 25:33-34) David listens to Godly wisdom provided by Abigail which Stopped him from taking revenge: ( 1 Samuel 25:33-34 ) 33 and blessed be your discernment, and blessed be you, who have kept me this day from [a]bloodshed and from avenging myself by my own hand. ....more scripture.... until the morning light as much as one male.” I'm Not saying Queen Elizabeth II was a perfect person( just like King David was Not a perfect person), but I do want to point out some honorable aspects about her life ( just like King David was honorable ): -At a very young age of 25 years old, she responsibly and dutifully took the throne when her father suddenly unexpectedly died. -For the most part, she kept a neutral role in politics but would always diligently give her best advice in private to UK Prime Minister on major issues --Queen Elizabeth II wanted sanctions against South African apartheid but the UK Prime Minister at the time, Margaret Thatcher, did Not want to enforce sanctions against South Africa ( [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.biography.com/news/queen-elizabeth-ii-margaret-thatcher-relationship[/URL] ) -Queen Elizabeth II remained loyal to her husband, Prince Philip, in their marriage even though her husband was a womanizer and adulterer when they were young married couple. Let's start off by looking at the similarities between King David to Queen Elizabeth II. Other than David's illicit affair with Bathsheba, and his responsibility for the murder of her husband, Uriah, let's also try to analyze another sinful act by David that involved his inability to bring justice after hearing about Amon raping his half-sister Tamar. **It's very important and interesting to note that David merely had a galling silent angry reaction when it came to hearing about Amnon raping his half-sister Tamar, and David did Not enforce any sort of justice as a response: (2 Samuel 13:21 ) Now when King David heard of all these matters, he was very angry.** Queen Elizabeth II also was guilty of quasi-inaction because she, for the most part, ignored Princess Diana's complaints about her husband, Prince Charles, in regards to her adulterous love affair with Camilla Parker Bowles: ( Credited Reference: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/06/princess-diana-queen-elizabeth-relationship/[/URL] ) (Quote)"Tensions emerged between Diana and the royal family, including the queen, when their marriage hit romantic and then tabloid troubles. The relationship worsened as Diana suffered from bulimia. Diana told biographer Andrew Morton that during one conversation with the queen, “she indicated to me that the reason why our marriage had gone downhill was because Prince Charles was having such a difficult time with my bulimia.” “She hung her coat on the hook, so to speak,” Diana continued, according to Morton. “And it made me realize that they all saw that as the cause of the marriage problems and not one of the symptoms.” Diana kept trying to confide in her mother-in-law. The queen, now 95, grew weary of it all. One afternoon, Diana stopped by to visit the queen and was made to wait. “The princess,” a palace footman told the queen, according to Seward, “cried three times in half-an-hour while she was waiting to see you.” The queen’s reply: “I had her for an hour — and she cried nonstop.” In public, even as rumors of the prince’s affairs swirled, Diana was still saying the right things — that the prince supported her, that he was a good father and husband. “That was not what she was telling the queen in their private meetings,” Seward wrote. “Charles, Diana kept saying, was letting down the monarchy.” The queen couldn’t deal with her daughter-in-law anymore. “Faced with a situation that was slipping out of her control,” Seward wrote, “the queen retreated from the problem and started seeing less of Diana.” Let's now see the similarities between the bible characters named Princess Tamar and Prince Absalom, and Princess Diana of modern day's UK's monarchy. Princess Tamar and Prince Absalom were really physically attractive just like Princess Diana was attractive: (2 Samuel 13:1 ) Now it was after this that Absalom the son of David had a beautiful sister whose name was Tamar, and Amnon the son of David loved her. (2 Samuel 14:25-27 ) Now in all Israel was no one as handsome as Absalom, so highly praised; from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head there was no defect in him.....more scripture... sons, and one daughter whose name was Tamar; she was a woman of beautiful appearance. Forgive me, however, it's also important to note that 2 Samuel 16:20-22 recounts Prince Absalom's promiscuous lifestyle when had sex with his father's concubines( who during King David's reign were responsible for the upkeep of the Royal palaces, etc. ) which was somewhat similar Princess Diana's promiscuous lifestyle: (2 Samuel 16:20-22) 20 Then Absalom said to Ahithophel, “Give your advice. What shall we do?” 21 Ahithophel said to Absalom, ..more scripture.. 22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and Absalom went in to his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel. Not to sound vulgar, here is a listing of Princess Diana's numerous extra-marital affairs: ----------------------(Credit Reference: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tatler.com/gallery/princess-diana-boyfriends-lovers[/URL] )------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Barry Albert Mannakee – 1985 James Hewitt – 1986-1992 Oliver Hoare – 1992 to 1994 The Bible character named Prince Amnon is somewhat similar to Prince Charles. Both are the heir apparent to their thrones. Here is the bible passage that mentions Prince Amnon's raping his half-sister, Tamar, and then subsequently intensely hating her: (2 Samuel 13:11-22 ) When she brought them to him to eat, he took hold of her and said to her, “Come, lie with me, my sister.” 12 But she answered him, “No, my brother, do not violate me, for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do this disgraceful thing! 13 As for me, where could I [a]get rid of my reproach? And as for you, you will be like one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, please speak to the king, for he will not withhold me from you.” 14 .....more scripture.. and she put her hand on her head and went away, crying aloud as she went. 20 Then Absalom her brother said .....more scripture... matters, he was very angry. 22 But Absalom did not speak to Amnon either good or bad; for Absalom hated Amnon because he had violated his sister Tamar. Now, Prince Charles's troubled marriage to Princess Diana is certainly Not tantamount to Prince Amnon raping Princess Tamar. However, Prince Charles and Princess Diana's marriage did End painfully: (credited reference: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/charles-and-diana-divorce[/URL] ) "Before long, however, the fairy tale couple grew apart, an experience that was particularly painful under the ubiquitous eyes of the world’s tabloid media. Diana and Charles announced a separation in 1992, though they continued to carry out their royal duties. In August 1996, two months after Queen Elizabeth II urged the couple to divorce, the prince and princess reached a final agreement. In exchange for a generous settlement, and the right to retain her apartments at Kensington Palace and her title of “Princess of Wales,” Diana agreed to relinquish the title of “Her Royal Highness” and any future claims to the British throne. In the year following the divorce, the popular princess seemed well on her way to achieving her dream of becoming “a queen in people’s hearts,” but on August 31, 1997, she was killed with her companion Dodi Fayed in a car accident in Paris." We, as bible readers, can probably infer/deduce that David's silence, and lack of enforcing justice as King of Israel in response to Amon raping Tamar is what led to Absalom's violent & vicious response. Princess Diana's response to how Queen Elizabeth II and the royal family for the most part ignored her complaints about Prince Charles's illicit affair with Camilla Parker Bowles might Not have been as violent and vicious as Absalom which involved killing his brother Amnon out of revenge, and then leading a violent coup but it still was damaging to Queen Elizabeth II's monarchy. Princess Diana publicly battled against Queen Elizabeth II and her royal family by using the media and press. To elaborate, she was secretly involved in Indirectly encouraging the writing of a tell-all book: ( Credited Reference: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/30/world/now-it-can-be-told-1992-tell-all-book-s-source-was-diana.html[/URL] ) (Quote) "The principal source disclosing details of the Princess of Wales's unhappy marriage to Prince Charles and her troubled relations with the royal family for the 1992 book ''Diana, Her True Story,'' was Diana herself, the author, Andrew Morton, said today." Furthermore, Princess Diana also went to give a public TV interview about the troubles behind her marriage: [MEDIA=youtube]8lflg5m7cbY:36[/MEDIA] Also, more specifically, Search the internet for Princess Diana's 20 November 1995 BBC Interview where she stated “I’d like to be a queen of people’s hearts” ( Side Note: Understand the similarity with Absalom's rising popularity among the Israelites by grandstanding which is recounted in the ( 2 Samuel 15:1-6 ) bible passage. ) (2 Samuel 15:1-6) 15 Now it came about after this that Absalom provided for himself a chariot and horses and fifty men as runners before him. 2 Absalom used to rise early and ....more scripture And he would say, “Your servant is from one of the tribes of Israel.” 3 Then Absalom would say to him, “See, your [a]claims are good and right, but no man listens to you on the part of the king.”.....more scripture.... and take hold of him and kiss him. 6 In this manner Absalom dealt with all Israel who came to the king for judgment; so Absalom stole away the hearts of the men of Israel. ( -------------------------------------------------- Credit Reference: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.vox.com/culture/21593569/princess-diana-explainer-crown-netflix-marilyn-monroe-britney-spears-innocence[/URL] ) When pop culture’s princesses are virgins, the press treats their sexuality as unthreatening. They are hot, but not in a scary way; they don’t know what they’re doing; they are safe to want. But if they begin to wield their sexuality knowingly, everything changes. And their relationship with the public changes, too. The big question with Diana, the question on the cover of The Diana Chronicles: How much of it did she do on purpose? “Was she ‘the people’s princess,’ who electrified the world with her beauty and humanitarian missions?” asks Brown. “Or was she a manipulative, media-savvy neurotic who nearly brought down the monarchy?” Any honest reckoning of Diana would have to say the answer to that question is both. She was beautiful; she did have a remarkable gift for connecting with disenfranchised people doing humanitarian work — and she also spent much of her time as Princess of Wales in the grips of bulimia and suicidal ideation, using her skill with the press as her most potent weapon against the Windsors. **Throughout Diana’s marriage to Charles, she consistently outshined and outworked him. At public gatherings and charity events, she was able to genuinely connect with the crowds in a way Charles couldn’t. She would crouch down on her knees to talk to the kids. She would shake hands with an AIDS patient. Such moments established both her reputation as the “people’s princess” — the saint in the killer designer suit who could love her subjects more than anyone else could, who could transcend the monarchy — and her reputation as a schemer who was upstaging the monarchy on purpose, out of selfishness and greed. And after Diana’s divorce from Charles in 1996, as she partied her way across multiple continents and began campaigning against land mines, those two ideas became ever stronger.** But Brown frames her question in a way that suggests these two opposing images of Diana are mutually exclusive. The idea that Diana might have been intentionally using the press, that she might have desired to be as famous and beloved as she was and that she might have intentionally wielded her beauty and charisma to get there, seems to somehow negate the idea of saintly Diana, the people’s princess. And if Diana courted the press, if she used them in the same way they used her — well, how does that square with the way she died? How can we say that Diana was using the press that drove her off the road and to her death? All of Princess Diana's aforementioned public responses really did hurt the public image of Queen Elizabeth II, and her royal family. Finally, Just like Absalom's violent death, Princess Diana also died violently To me, it was really interesting how Bible stories sometimes are repeated in today's world. (Major Side Conclusion: A Highly relevant bible verse associated with Princess Diana's story is (Ecclesiastes 9:11) "I again saw under the sun that the race is Not to the swift ... more scripture...for time and chance overtake them all." The reason being is that Princess Diana was very physically attractive and had an aristocratic background but was Not loved by her royal princely husband, and was merely used by other men in her life for short-term flings. Therefore, even though you might expect her to have a happy family life by being in a royal marriage with wonderful children, her life was a tragedy. ) [/QUOTE]
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