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<blockquote data-quote="Derf" data-source="post: 77433891" data-attributes="member: 436903"><p>Good. That's something we agree on.</p><p></p><p>You want evidence that evidence is evidence? You must <em>like</em> circular reasoning. </p><p>Remember that we're discussing two different ways of interpretting the same evidence. The evidence is that the whole world is covered with layers of sediment that have fossils in them. The layers often have distinct, horizontal boundaries that go on for miles, that are stacked vertically hundreds of feet, without erosion channels. Your story says those layers represent thousands of years each. My story says those layers were laid down in less than a year. Same evidence, different stories (interpretations).</p><p></p><p>For instance we discussed meanders. You proposed that meanders can only mean a slow river that piles up sediment until it changes the course of the river. That's a good proposal. So I countered with a request for you to show me where such piles of sediment are visible in the Grand Canyon layers at the turns only?. But I don't remember you replying to that. Did you find anything like that yet?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now who's being rude?</p><p></p><p>Meaning you are the one who </p><p>isn't "accepting that either one of us could be wrong", and therefore aren't willing to find "middle ground"?</p><p></p><p></p><p>That was part of the explanation. Because they were in the swampy areas and lowlands, they were washed into basins (lower areas) first. More sediment accrued on top of them and higher area animals were washed into those basins next, with sediments to bury them. Remember that no one was stirring the "tea" to make sure the lower sediments and creatures mixed with upper.</p><p></p><p>Right, but how much older is different in our two interpretations.</p><p></p><p>Dinosaurs are the elephant in the room, but the same applies to those fossils buried lower.</p><p></p><p>They didn't all die at the same time, necessarily. Lowland animals probably died sooner than highkand animals. The heavy rains lasted 40 days, and other rains and the fountains of the deep another 110 days.</p><p>Genesis 7:24 KJV — And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.</p><p></p><p>Genesis 8:2 KJV — The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On just that last point, the carcases that float would not be the ones that fossilize, because they would sink onto the top of the sediment, so they would decompose, unless another round of sediment were deposited very quickly. And it would have to be a big one to cover such big creatures as would be on the bottom.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Derf, post: 77433891, member: 436903"] Good. That's something we agree on. You want evidence that evidence is evidence? You must [I]like[/I] circular reasoning. Remember that we're discussing two different ways of interpretting the same evidence. The evidence is that the whole world is covered with layers of sediment that have fossils in them. The layers often have distinct, horizontal boundaries that go on for miles, that are stacked vertically hundreds of feet, without erosion channels. Your story says those layers represent thousands of years each. My story says those layers were laid down in less than a year. Same evidence, different stories (interpretations). For instance we discussed meanders. You proposed that meanders can only mean a slow river that piles up sediment until it changes the course of the river. That's a good proposal. So I countered with a request for you to show me where such piles of sediment are visible in the Grand Canyon layers at the turns only?. But I don't remember you replying to that. Did you find anything like that yet? Now who's being rude? Meaning you are the one who isn't "accepting that either one of us could be wrong", and therefore aren't willing to find "middle ground"? That was part of the explanation. Because they were in the swampy areas and lowlands, they were washed into basins (lower areas) first. More sediment accrued on top of them and higher area animals were washed into those basins next, with sediments to bury them. Remember that no one was stirring the "tea" to make sure the lower sediments and creatures mixed with upper. Right, but how much older is different in our two interpretations. Dinosaurs are the elephant in the room, but the same applies to those fossils buried lower. They didn't all die at the same time, necessarily. Lowland animals probably died sooner than highkand animals. The heavy rains lasted 40 days, and other rains and the fountains of the deep another 110 days. Genesis 7:24 KJV — And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. Genesis 8:2 KJV — The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; On just that last point, the carcases that float would not be the ones that fossilize, because they would sink onto the top of the sediment, so they would decompose, unless another round of sediment were deposited very quickly. And it would have to be a big one to cover such big creatures as would be on the bottom. [/QUOTE]
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