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<blockquote data-quote="Warden_of_the_Storm" data-source="post: 77431944" data-attributes="member: 381462"><p>No, we're not closer to agreeing because even though flooding does occur around water sources (not a difficult thing to imagine), it is a serious stretch to say that the world was covered with water at once at the exact same time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was just clarifying a statement of fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Easier, yes, but not always the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There though. They're petrified cacti, and petrification is the same process as fossilization. Here's an example.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]338461[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Abundant is a very iffy term to use for an area that is 1.3 million square miles. We don't know how big these water sources would be.</p><p>But my point still stands.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fossilization can happen quickly, in a few hours or months if the right specific conditions are met, but in a relative sense, about 10,000 years or so is the standard benchmark for time for a fossil to form. It's all done to geochemical location, protection from immediate destruction, and hard parts of the body remaining.</p><p></p><p>I don't get what you mean by 'all the components of the bone'. Fossilization is just the minerals in the bone being replaced by stone, leaving an imprint in the sediment the specimen is in.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not evidence at all. Correlation is not causation. You need a lot more evidence than saying "oh, there's evidence of animals being buried underwater, ergo FLOOD!" which your next part neatly seques to...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is where you entire argument falls apart.</p><p>It's a global flood. A deluge of water brought about by the fountins of the great deep bursting open (Genesis 7:11) and forty days and forty nights of rain (Genesis 7:12). That's a violent amount of water, a catacylsmic amount of water that covers the Earth to the highest points of the mountains. It will not matter if humans and dinosaurs didn't live in the same location. As [USER=412388]@Bradskii[/USER] pointed out: in that sort of environment, every living thing is going to die and be swept up together. We should find elephants and diplodicus (dipolodici?) and cows and whales and humans and triceratops and rhinos and monkeys and velociraptors all swept up together and deposited everywhere they were left when the waters receeded... But we don't. We find fossils of animals that lived and died in specific regions of the world, in specific times in Earth's history, with only the smallest percentage of overlap, and that's mainly from animals such as sharks, crocodiles, turtles and sponges.</p><p></p><p>Not evidence at all for a slamdunk.</p><p></p><p>And that pic is just a depiction of what people in the 1500s thought the Behemoth looked like, but also in the Medieval period, depictions of animals... well, they weren't great.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]338462[/ATTACH]</p><p>And even if we take the 'Bell's Behemoth' as evidence for dinosaurs existing alongside humans... why do not have the likes of Geoffrey Chaucer talking about them? Where are the Medieval coat of arms for dinosaurs (Coolest idea ever)? Where's the other evidence?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So if we take 2500 BC as your first answer, so that would either be in the reign of Pharaoh <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khafre" target="_blank">Khafre</a>, or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menkaure" target="_blank">Menkaure</a>, or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepseskaf" target="_blank">Shepseskaf</a>. Not one of them reported any mention of their lands being annihilated by a global flood, nor did it imped the construction of the Great Sphinx at Giza either, which was built in the reign of Khafre too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warden_of_the_Storm, post: 77431944, member: 381462"] No, we're not closer to agreeing because even though flooding does occur around water sources (not a difficult thing to imagine), it is a serious stretch to say that the world was covered with water at once at the exact same time. I was just clarifying a statement of fact. Easier, yes, but not always the case. There though. They're petrified cacti, and petrification is the same process as fossilization. Here's an example. [ATTACH type="full"]338461[/ATTACH] Abundant is a very iffy term to use for an area that is 1.3 million square miles. We don't know how big these water sources would be. But my point still stands. Fossilization can happen quickly, in a few hours or months if the right specific conditions are met, but in a relative sense, about 10,000 years or so is the standard benchmark for time for a fossil to form. It's all done to geochemical location, protection from immediate destruction, and hard parts of the body remaining. I don't get what you mean by 'all the components of the bone'. Fossilization is just the minerals in the bone being replaced by stone, leaving an imprint in the sediment the specimen is in. It's not evidence at all. Correlation is not causation. You need a lot more evidence than saying "oh, there's evidence of animals being buried underwater, ergo FLOOD!" which your next part neatly seques to... And this is where you entire argument falls apart. It's a global flood. A deluge of water brought about by the fountins of the great deep bursting open (Genesis 7:11) and forty days and forty nights of rain (Genesis 7:12). That's a violent amount of water, a catacylsmic amount of water that covers the Earth to the highest points of the mountains. It will not matter if humans and dinosaurs didn't live in the same location. As [USER=412388]@Bradskii[/USER] pointed out: in that sort of environment, every living thing is going to die and be swept up together. We should find elephants and diplodicus (dipolodici?) and cows and whales and humans and triceratops and rhinos and monkeys and velociraptors all swept up together and deposited everywhere they were left when the waters receeded... But we don't. We find fossils of animals that lived and died in specific regions of the world, in specific times in Earth's history, with only the smallest percentage of overlap, and that's mainly from animals such as sharks, crocodiles, turtles and sponges. Not evidence at all for a slamdunk. And that pic is just a depiction of what people in the 1500s thought the Behemoth looked like, but also in the Medieval period, depictions of animals... well, they weren't great. [ATTACH type="full"]338462[/ATTACH] And even if we take the 'Bell's Behemoth' as evidence for dinosaurs existing alongside humans... why do not have the likes of Geoffrey Chaucer talking about them? Where are the Medieval coat of arms for dinosaurs (Coolest idea ever)? Where's the other evidence? So if we take 2500 BC as your first answer, so that would either be in the reign of Pharaoh [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khafre']Khafre[/URL], or [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menkaure']Menkaure[/URL], or [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepseskaf']Shepseskaf[/URL]. Not one of them reported any mention of their lands being annihilated by a global flood, nor did it imped the construction of the Great Sphinx at Giza either, which was built in the reign of Khafre too. [/QUOTE]
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