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  1. Tuur

    Separation of Church and State – Answering Critics

    The US meaning is the establishment clause, which, as explained in the initial posts, means there is no Federally supported denomination in the US. There isn't a Church of the United States supported by tax dollars. That didn't stop congress for giving tariff relief to a bible society, likely...
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    Separation of Church and State – Answering Critics

    I don't think you quite understand. The US Constitution isn't a sacred document (if it were a sacred document, it wouldn't have provisions for amendments). It is a document that limits the Federal government. That's important because while cultures and technology changes, people do not. The...
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    Separation of Church and State – Answering Critics

    Not the incident I was looking for, but found this: https://wset.com/news/local/principal-apologizes-after-telling-students-they-couldnt-pray-in-va-school-hallway The incident I recall was a student who was reprimanded by a teacher for praying thanks before eating. There were enough such...
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    Separation of Church and State – Answering Critics

    Um...a sidebar to the discussion: Like it or not, the US Constitution is the final law in Federal and some state affairs. If there is a perceived problem the proper course of action isn't to contend but to amend. That there exists a mechanism to amend the US Constitution comes from the...
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    Where is the center of the universe?

    It seems significant to me that John saw a new heaven and a new earth. A new universe? Don't know. Will just have to see.
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    Where is the center of the universe?

    Not so much pushed as pulled. Einstein' model is essentially that gravity is a distortion of space and time caused by mass, with the larger the mass the greater the distortion. That lends itself to the weights on a rubber sheet analogy. Yet by all appearances the universe is expanding...
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    Nikki Haley says she is voting for Trump: 'Biden has been a catastrophe'

    Odd.. So far I haven't seen an argument that refutes the claim that Biden has been a catastrophe. There's an argument critical of Haley and the obligatory "What about Trump?" argument, but none that what Haley said is wrong.
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    Can AI be used for apologetics and how?

    Neural nets are interesting, but GIGO is a huge issue. There was an AI image program that was found to be "cheating" by including the actual image in the final result. The AI didn't know it was cheating; that method satisfied the target conditions while its nets were learning. What passes for...
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    Where is the center of the universe?

    I think the, er, point they're making is that there's no discernable center. All of space and time in a single point that expands. But from what perspective is the point evident? From inside the point there's no clear center. When the point expands, from within the point it would appear that all...
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    Where is the center of the universe?

    Eh... Assume two dimensional creatures living on the surface of a three dimensional sphere. If the sphere is mostly uniform, the creatures might not discern a center. But to a three dimensional creature, the center is obvious, even if it's not seen: the center of the sphere. If the universe is...
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    Democrats - How does Biden win?

    I hope Biden bows out prior or at the convention. But LBJ announce he wouldn't run just before April of that year and it's now close to June. I have no great affection for the Democrat party, but neither do I have great affection for the GOP, and would like to see a viable alternative...
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    What is currently on your mind?

    Listening to a great horned owl in the distance. A few minutes ago heard something in the distance like a screech owl, but only heard it call once, so not sure.
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    Democrats - How does Biden win?

    I don't discount comments on poll accuracy, only note that they're kind of like what Art Buchwald said about his political satire. When he was skewering one party, the other thought he was hilarious. Then, when he skewered them, they thought he'd lost his sense of humor. Whether or not we accept...
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    Learning Foreign Languages

    Perhaps more than two. English is probably a pidgin language, and say that without a slur. That said, there are shades of meaning to all words. A stroll has more leisurely connotations that a walk. A promenade has the air of fanciness about it. Not grasping the shades of meaning in French made...
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    'We've Reached a Time of Christian Invisibility in Our Culture', George Barna Says

    It's a good interview. Christianity in the US, maybe the entire West, is more self-centered than Christ-centered. Seminaries...well, I don't want to be anti-seminary here, but will note that some modern heretics reference a seminary professor, so this is hardly new. Remember one instance where a...
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    The 45th President wants to be Hitler

    People have claimed various leaders were the antichrist for millennia. Can't remember the minister who basically said "Knock it off. No one will know the Antichrist until he's revealed." That was maybe around 300 AD, maybe before. And here we are in 2024 doing the same old thing. And, of...
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    Moonwalk

    Originally it was going to be someone taking a selfy, but this was easier and more obvious. It's there just to give a sense of scale, anyway.
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    What is the attraction to the monkey movies?

    All this talk of monkeys reminds me of a certain character in the Discworld novels who strongly resented the term.
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    Is 30-30 Adequate for Black Bear and Wild Hog?

    Still following the thread. Haven't hunted in years, but haven't seen the point in killing an animal unless there was a reason. For hunting, it was food. My idea was something for a dangerous situation. Decades ago, a black bear on our side of a property line crossed a fence and went after a...
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    Moonwalk

    Since I couldn't find a sketch I did around 1980s, I made a quick one with the same technique, Unfortunately the years have taken their toll. Couldn't the the boulder right