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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    No one said there was deception in your error. The issue of hypocrasy comes up when the actual source for the foundation of your accusation comes out, because it is founded on Paul's words about Satan disguising himself as an angel of light being authoritative Scripture. Which if Paul is a...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    Again, the charge of hypocrasy is not against Paul but against you for relying on Paul's words to claim that Paul was misled by Satan. As for making Paul more important, I know of none who do so. Paul does not contradict anything Jesus or Peter have said, and so is not in a competition with them...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    No one said Paul was a hypocrite, what would be hypocritical is to cite Paul's words as authoritative Scripture and then attempt to use those words to discredit Paul as Scripture. Which is essentially what you seem to be attempting in that post. Either Paul is untrustworthy, and so cannot be...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    Where? Are you sure you're not thinking of Paul's words in 2 Cor? And if so, is it not hypocritical to cite Paul as authoritative as an attempt to deny Paul's authority?
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    Saying not to neglect the former is not saying both should be done, as neglect is a particular disregard. So while it's true that Jesus isn't condemning their meticulous tithing per se, he isn't necessarily giving an endorsement to it either. He's cutting off a potential objection, rather than...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    I wouldn't say Jesus said both should be done, as there is a difference between endorsing an action and stating that it's possible to focus on more important things without neglecting the importance of others. Those aren't fundamentally the same, because the one is something that is...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    I'm not working on a definition of atonement in what I'm saying, simply paraphrasing Paul's argument in Galatians, keying in on verses like Galatians 5:4. As for leaning into moral influence theory, there's far too much Biblical data that requires some form of objective justification for any...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    I don't have time for a full response right now, but I'll try to expand later. The main issue I have with what you are saying is Paul's opposition to returning to the law wasn't because there was a special dispensation of supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit but because a return to the law...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    Sort of, though not necessarily. The opposition is not to the law itself, but the finding of identity within the law and looking to the law to add a positive righteousness to their lives. What Paul was opposing was the creation of two tiers of believers, Jews and circumcised gentiles in the one...
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    Thoughts about the confusing word: "Law"

    What is meant by "law" is definitely a contextual issue, as it can have many meanings. In some places, it means the first 5 books of the Bible, in others it means the one called Deuteronomy, in others it means the legal code found within that book, in others it means basic Godly living, in...
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    What is Romans overarching question?

    Context determines what's being talked about, "nation" can refer to a political entity as in a nation-state like you use it here, but when it is qualified with "gentile" or similar Biblical basis it is refering to ethnicities rather than political entities. Perhaps if you took the time to...
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    What is Romans overarching question?

    You're reading things that aren't there. When I say "nations" I'm using it in the way that 1st century Jews would have understood it, as in ethnicities. The basic issue I am discussing is the fact that no longer was salvation a matter of becoming part of the Jewish nation through becoming a...
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    What is Romans overarching question?

    You seem to be entirely missing my point, for something that is essentially irrelevent since nations are not things that exist separately from the people who make them up.
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    What is Romans overarching question?

    Certainly there is a coming wrath, but by bringing in gentiles without requiring them become a part of the Jewish people through circumcision and submission to the law God effectively justified the nations(peoples). At the point that the letter to the Romans was written it was Israel that was...
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    What is Romans overarching question?

    While at work today I kept thinking about Romans 9:14-16, and thinking about what the underlying message of "I will have mercy on who I will have mercy" truly is, since it seems to me there are two options. Either a)it's a statement concerned primarily with God excluding some from His mercy and...
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    To Give or Not to Give

    There's something often missed regarding the poor widow, which is that right before calling attention to her putting all she had into the coffers Jesus talked about the scribes and pharisee's devouring widow's houses. So it seems to me there's something else going on there than simply praising...
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    To Give or Not to Give

    This is one of the more interesting points in OT guidelines for the tithe, since it makes it clear that it wasn't a sacrifice in the way sacrifice tends to mean to moderns but was at least in part a matter of worship through celebration. Especially because the "whatever your heart desires" is...
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    To Give or Not to Give

    In the OT, where the tithe comes from, it was only the fruits of the ground that could be given as a tithe. It was done for a number of reasons, and giving time at a homeless shelter would be in the spirit of many of those. But what Christ revealed, in elevating the law, is that obedience is not...
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    To Give or Not to Give

    The tithe was never a monetary offering, and was specific in what was to be given. New testament giving, actually new testament living in general, is not a matter of following clearly defined guidelines, because those things only lead to a bare minimum effort and often with resentment.. New...
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    The Argument for Universal Reconciliation from the Book of Romans

    I'm familiar with this sort of reasoning, but it's not true. There's no ability to boast in receiving a gift, it remains charity. A beggar who accepts a meal remains a beggar even after accepting the meal and has nothing to boast over the one who refuses the meal. While Paul was confronted in...