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Not cancelled out, but part of a much more complex picture. A premise I wouldn't even seriously entertain. For example: Academic Leadership by Gender https://www.science.org/content/article/gender-pay-gap-hits-university-faculty Which are readily ignored when it suits employers. It reflects...

Since I am not clear exactly which link you're referring to, or which point I was making with it, all I would say is that while I understand the arguments for quotas in general they are not a mechanism I would choose. I'm not going to chase that red herring off topic, but I don't really agree...

I tried the first couple of times and got fobbed off. Haven't bothered after that. Things like "women don't belong in science," "it's not appropriate for a young woman to do this job," that sort of thing. I had to think about that one. I've called the police on occasion. Most of the time I...

Are they benefitting over males once they have those degrees? No. They're still paid less and discriminated against. Noting that more women than men are studying at university (as undergraduates) is only one part of a big picture. It doesn't, for example, take into account the disadvantages...

Advantages over males? No. Demonstrably false. As per evidence already provided. You might want to change that. I find those helpful lenses through which to critique our society. Good thing absolutely no one in this thread is arguing for that. I explained earlier; it is not that long ago...

I'd say our exchange had long moved on from any evidence at that point. I don't agree that it's politicising. To me, this whole discussion is highly politicised from the beginning. But sure, I personalise. Because all these arguments might be academic to you, but they're not to me. They're...

I do not think my tradition would agree with this, seeing rather that the will of God is one will, shared by the three Persons; but perhaps that is getting rather off topic.

Not at all what I have said. I have critiqued those archetypes for the way they contribute to particular problematic attitudes which underpin abuse. No, I said it was related to violence (and that would be true no matter who it's associated with). Really? War has a healthy aspect? Being a...

Honestly, I don't want any big hoopla made about being a woman who's a priest. The first rule of ministry is, "it's not about you." I just want to be allowed to get on with the work of ministry, without being attacked for being a woman while doing it.

Subordinationism is a heresy. (A point very much in mind for me today, as it is Trinity Sunday, and my sermon touched on how the non-hierarchical relationships within the Trinity are the model for human relationships, since we are made in the image of a relational God). The whole "different...

Only if it is expressed in a way that reinforces gender hierarchy and rigid roles. Not at all what I have said. Also not what I said. I said that arguing for men as protectors of women seems to always be argued for along with disempowered roles for women. I'd be very worried for any woman...

I didn't ignore them. I just don't think they change the fundamental reality; husbands and wives are called to a relationship of mutual love and service. That is the dynamic within which wives submit. Not one-sided submission and control.

But claiming that I "ignore" particular Scriptures, or read in "whatever you feel like," are personal remarks, and are not particularly respectful or courteous. It comes across as dismissive and belittling, and I'm just not willing to continue engaging in that vein. Of course. To do so would...

Which has nothing to do with how men might express a protective instinct differently from women, unless it is used to argue for the disempowerment of women. That is not, at all, what I said. I said that expressing a protective instinct in a way which casts the opposite sex always as the...

I disagree. In the balance of their advice to husbands and wives, they paint a picture of marriage as mutual love and service, in which relationships of control can never fit. As to the rest, frankly your posts are descending to the level of personal accusation and attack. I am disinclined...

The only people I accuse of abuse are people actually abusing others. If someone's expression of their "natural inclinations" means they are abusing others, then that's a significant problem. Only if, in doing so, he sees himself as somehow fundamentally different from women who do the same...

We could play this game endlessly, of you coming up with this or that example of God's intervention and asking if it's control, as if that would somehow invalidate my whole argument. But it wouldn't change what I said earlier; in general God (despite sustaining our very being) allows us a...

The only thing I'm taking issue with is a gendered divide of protector/protected. As to the rest, whatever, it's not really of interest to me. The main reason I find the claims unconvincing is that I have the scientific background in human development that tells me most such claims are bunk...

You do realise that something like nursing still involves a lot of heavy lifting when moving patients? I've seen claims that nursing is the occupation with the highest rates of heavy lifting. See here for eg: The Top 8 Jobs with the Highest Injury Rates I think a lot of it is socialisation...

I am not a prophet, and do not have this kind of experience. But I see nothing in the text, and have heard or read nothing from those who do have this kind of gift, to make me believe that it is control without a degree of freedom in the human response/cooperation.