Virginia school board votes to restore Confederate names to two schools

Desk trauma said:

Details of the flag here.

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As I said, defaced.

Desk trauma said:

A double standard irrelevant to the topic of this thread, honoring traitors who made war on the US by naming things in the US after them, and not one I have made. That their war was based on the corner stone of race based slavery is secondary.

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Since the other poster couldn't provide any info to the contrary, I'll tell you I think you're wrong. I can read the news, I know what the reasons are.

There was a Catholic university whose mascot was The Crusaders. A couple of years after the 9/11 attacks a Muslim group produced some crocodile tears and the school changed its mascot. Do you remember in 2020 in England when statues of the likes of Cecil Rhodes and Winston Churchill were being pulled down and/or vandalized? Then later, buildings named after them had their names changed. Were Rhodes and Churchill ever accused of being traitors? Quite the opposite. You could hardly find two more patriotic Englishmen.

So I know you and the others are smart enough to know the Confederacy stuff is not about treason. What I don't know is why you're being disingenuous about it.

There are better parts of southern culture to preserve, than valorizing men who fought to uphold slavery.

Chesterton said:

There was a Catholic university whose mascot was The Crusaders. A couple of years after the 9/11 attacks a Muslim group produced some crocodile tears and the school changed its mascot. Do you remember in 2020 in England when statues of the likes of Cecil Rhodes and Winston Churchill were being pulled down and/or vandalized? Then later, buildings named after them had their names changed. Were Rhodes and Churchill ever accused of being traitors? Quite the opposite. You could hardly find two more patriotic Englishmen.

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You know what undue reverence paid to a statue is called? It's called idolatry.

FireDragon76 said:

You know what undue reverence paid to a statue is called? It's called idolatry.

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lol, now there's another reason - the Christian religion! Boy you guys are creative. So I guess we need to tear down statues of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King, Jr. too then.

FireDragon76 said:

There are better parts of southern culture to preserve, than valorizing men who fought to uphold slavery.

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No kidding.

Id like to to see a big bronze statue of bbq side dishes.

One wonders why a Christian would be enthusiastic about erecting a monument to any warrior.

Chesterton said:

Since the other poster couldn't provide any info to the contrary, I'll tell you I think you're wrong. I can read the news, I know what the reasons are.

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My thoughts have yet to make the news.

Chesterton said:

There was a Catholic university whose mascot was The Crusaders. A couple of years after the 9/11 attacks a Muslim group produced some crocodile tears and the school changed its mascot. Do you remember in 2020 in England when statues of the likes of Cecil Rhodes and Winston Churchill were being pulled down and/or vandalized? Then later, buildings named after them had their names changed. Were Rhodes and Churchill ever accused of being traitors? Quite the opposite. You could hardly find two more patriotic Englishmen.

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none of that is the topic of this thread.

Chesterton said:

So I know you and the others are smart enough to know the Confederacy stuff is not about treason.

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It is to me.

Chesterton said:

What I don't know is why you're being disingenuous about it.

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Nothing.

I will bow out of this conversation because I'm getting too emotional about this subject. I apologize for my rude accusations to Fire and Rocks. We won't see eye to eye on this.

Laodicean60 said:

Nice. history is history and we can't change it all we can do is learn from it.

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History is currently being made.

It would be good to have public schools without Confederate names. I can't imagine how it would feel to be a black student going to a school named after a slave owner, who fought against USA folk in the hope to keep the right to own blacks as slaves.

It seems the name of the school is a huge slap in the face of black USA folk, goading them, taunting them, telling them that they don't matter, that their history never happened.

I think it would be great to name the schools after native Americans that were defending their land from the invading British or rename the schools after many of the great Black Americans who progressed rights for blacks in USA.

Laodicean60 said:

I should have added if we had a civil war today we would no longer be the USA. We would be the DSA vs RSA.

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That would likely to be many countries or collective of states that are Western in nature, with freedom and democracy and healthcare that are pretty much in line with most other well off Western nations.

Vs a Theocracy, where gays will be criminalised, Christianity will be forced on the population, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims driven out. Immigration shut down, no asylum process, no abortions. It will be a white Christian Nationalist sanctuary and haven (heaven) if you are white and Christian and all in on this Christian Nationalist thing a.k.a. MAGA.

Laodicean60 said:

I don't know what caused these kids to dig up something from 160 years ago. Maybe manipulation. We elected Barrak, which showed me the progress from the racism of my day. Now we have to tear down history? This may be virtue signaling might be more believable if they were attacking persons in the 20th century who were just as racist.

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Oh?
Obama had to be squeaky-clean and a scholar, Constitutional Law professor, State Senator, US Senator, before attempting to run for President.

Trump just had to be rich.

Desk trauma said:

My thoughts have yet to make the news.

none of that is the topic of this thread.


It is to me.


Nothing.

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No, you're wrong. (One well thought out argument deserves another.)

Chesterton said:

No, you're wrong. (One well thought out argument deserves another.)

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Ah, another person that knows my thoughts better than I do. I learn so much about myself here finding out I know my own mind, motivations and intent so poorly.

Pommer said:

Obama had to be squeaky-clean...

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Among other things, he was an admitted pothead, a Saul Alinsky like community organizer, and was buddies with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Did I mention he liked eating dogs? Well I guess that could be squeaky-clean by some people's standards:

Desk trauma said:

Ah, another person that knows my thoughts better than I do. I learn so much about myself here finding out I know my own mind, motivations and intent so poorly.

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I only know what you post, which is very, very little when you're trying to back up your points.

Chesterton said:

I only know what you post, which is very, very little when you're trying to back up your points.

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You indicated I was wrong about what I thought, that could only be possible if you knew my thoughts better than I did.

Chesterton said:

Among other things, he was an admitted pothead, a Saul Alinsky like community organizer, and was buddies with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Did I mention he liked eating dogs? Well I guess that could be squeaky-clean by some people's standards:

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Yeah, “pothead” doesn’t carry the sting that it used to, now that nearly half the nation has some form of legalized cannabis or other.
Thanks for trotting out ol’ Saul, that takes me back, and palling around with “terrorists”, good times!

Pommer said:

Yeah, “pothead” doesn’t carry the sting that it used to, now that nearly half the nation has some form of legalized cannabis or other.

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Smoking pot and being a pothead aren't necessarily the same thing. I think you're a pothead if you brag about smoking large amounts of it all the time.

Pommer said:

Thanks for trotting out ol’ Saul, that takes me back, and palling around with “terrorists”, good times!

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I like how you put square quotes on words to diminish them. You realize that if I say Hitler was a "ruthless dictator", it doesn't make him any less so?

Chesterton said:

Smoking pot and being a pothead aren't necessarily the same thing. I think you're a pothead if you brag about smoking large amounts of it all the time.

I like how you put square quotes on words to diminish them. You realize that if I say Hitler was a "ruthless dictator", it doesn't make him any less so?

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And yet Obama was squeaky clean enough to serve two full terms without anyone in his administration getting indicted.

Pommer said:

Obama had to be squeaky-clean ... before attempting to run for President.

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Pommer said:

And yet Obama was squeaky clean enough to serve two full terms without anyone in his administration getting indicted.

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