Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

ralliann · May 13, 2024

BPPLEE said:
He testified he buried the story in 2011. What office was Trump running for in 2011?

None. This is also about the common practice of non disclosure agreement.

wing2000 · May 13, 2024

ralliann said:
She also said, he wanted to keep it from Malania, and his family to be proud of him. And of Course it would have been bad for the election.

From the collective testimony and evidence (emails) to date, it's abundantly obvious the election was the primary motivation. The Stormy story was killed right after the Access Hollywood tape -which was spun as "locker room talk." If both stories had gone public within days of the election, we all know the damage that would cause politically. As did Trump.

perplexed · May 13, 2024

I think
*Cohen is dishonest
*most presidential campaigns pay Hush Money
*If there was evidence Biden or Hillary did the same thing as Trump they would not be prosecuted in New York

However none of the Pro Trump comments on this Thread seem to be related to what is actually happening in the trial

Cohen is happening to tell the truth because it suits him , Audio recordings and hand written notes back him up.

BPPLEE · May 13, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
He buried 'a' story. But did not have an NDA with Stormy Daniels.
timeline

2011
May
Daniels shares her claim about the encounter in an interview with In Touch magazine, but the story is not published at the time. In October, Trump fixer Michael Cohen sends an email to the publication’s general counsel saying Trump would aggressively pursue legal action if the story was printed. It does not run until 2018.

2016
Oct. 27
Cohen wires payment to Davidson’s law firm using a shell corporation, Essential Consultants LLC. The next day, Daniels signs a confidential settlement and nondisclosure agreement. The agreement uses the pseudonyms Peggy Peterson for Daniels and David Dennison for Trump.

So what election was Trump worried about in 2011?

7thKeeper · May 13, 2024

perplexed said:
I think
*Cohen is dishonest
*most presidential campaigns pay Hush Money
*If there was evidence Biden or Hillary did the same thing as Trump they would not be prosecuted in New York

For the third point, I fail to see the relevance. It would depend on where the alleged crime happened. In this case, it was NY.

ralliann · May 13, 2024

wing2000 said:
From the collective testimony and evidence (emails) to date, it's abundantly obvious the election was the primary motivation.

No it isnt.

wing2000 said:
The Stormy story was killed right after the Access Hollywood tape -which was spun as "locker room talk." If both stories had gone public within days of the election, we all know the damage that would cause politically. As did Trump.

The trial is a farce.

ralliann · May 13, 2024

7thKeeper said:
For the third point, I fail to see the relevance. It would depend on where the alleged crime happened. In this case, it was NY.

??????

7thKeeper · May 13, 2024

ralliann said:
No it isnt.

Yes it is. Trumps statements to Daniels and the timing of the payments show clear evidence what the motive was.

perplexed · May 13, 2024

7thKeeper said:
For the third point, I fail to see the relevance. It would depend on where the alleged crime happened. In this case, it was NY.

Alvin Bragg would not have prosecuted Hillary or Biden if they did the same thing

7thKeeper · May 13, 2024

perplexed said:
Alvin Bragg would not have prosecuted Hillary or Biden if they did the same thing

That would entirely depend on if the crime occured within NY or not.

stevil · May 14, 2024

wing2000 said:
From the collective testimony and evidence (emails) to date, it's abundantly obvious the election was the primary motivation. The Stormy story was killed right after the Access Hollywood tape -which was spun as "locker room talk." If both stories had gone public within days of the election, we all know the damage that would cause politically. As did Trump.

I get a feeling that with all these scandals and allegations and investigations that these became immunisations to Trump's fans.
And now there is no crime, no scandal, no thing Trump can ever do that would shock or turn away his fan base. They are immune from being turned off by Trump.

Pommer · May 14, 2024

ralliann said:
Yes, the fact that he paid is not disputed (it had been done by Cohen for years). Again that he paid, nor that he had relations, is not a crime....

Yes, you are correct, those are not crimes and he hasn’t been indicted for those actions.

Pommer · May 14, 2024

ralliann said:
Cohen was his fixer for years, before he even thought seriously about running for president. But oh low and behold all of a sudden it was only to manipulate an election ONLY.

Are you suggesting that the State of New York has missed other possible “crimes” Cohen did?

Also, how is this even germane?
This is the Very First Time that Cohen and Trump schemed to do something “shady”?
Probably not, but who’s going to go snooping now?

Pommer · May 14, 2024

ralliann said:
Honestly, Cohen sounded very sycophantic with Trump. He was looking for a position as "the Personal attorney to the President of the United States". Quite excellent position on such a man's resume huh? He was quite upset when Trump Did not give him a position. I am more convinced that Cohen was certainly highly motivated to fix it, he rode on Trumps coat tails after all.

“Trump gave Cohen the title of personal attorney to the president around the same time, Cohen says.”
via the linkiepoo in post 1151.

I guess that revenge angle didn’t pan out.

Pommer · May 14, 2024

ralliann said:
She also said, he wanted to keep it from Malania, and his family to be proud of him. And of Course it would have been bad for the election.

Wow what. A GUY!
Paying money to his attorney who fronted the money to pay off the woman he cheated on his wife with so as to mitigate any damage might’ve happened to his Presidential aspirations, if the story got out!?

And to keep Melania from finding out.

It’s not many men who would go to all of this trouble, because no-one loves his country quite like Donald Trump.

Pommer · May 14, 2024

perplexed said:
I think
*Cohen is dishonest
*most presidential campaigns pay Hush Money
*If there was evidence Biden or Hillary did the same thing as Trump they would not be prosecuted in New York

However none of the Pro Trump comments on this Thread seem to be related to what is actually happening in the trial

Cohen is happening to tell the truth because it suits him , Audio recordings and hand written notes back him up.

If Mister Trump had paid Daniels to keep quiet, we wouldn’t be here.
Cohen paid Daniels, but because it was to “help” Mister Trump to become President, it is considered to be an undisclosed campaign contribution, which would have been illegal both for the size and that it was undisclosed.
In order to hide this “undisclosed contribution”, the ledgers from where Mister Cohen was paid from, indicated that the (re)payments were for “legal fees” and reimbursements.

”If Trump paid a Cohen back (plus a good chunk), it’s not a campaign contribution!, it’s a ’loan!”
True, but it’s not a “egal fee”.

Pommer · May 14, 2024

perplexed said:
Alvin Bragg would not have prosecuted Hillary or Biden if they did the same thing

“The same thing” being paying off their lawyer for an illegal campaign contribution while mislabeling this repayment as “legal fees”. The only reason the repayment was necessary was so that the story of how Ms Clinton (or Mister Biden) had had consensual sex with someone in the adult—entertainment industry, didn’t leak to the press.

Yeah, once is enough.

perplexed · May 14, 2024

7thKeeper said:
That would entirely depend on if the crime occured within NY or not.

Obviously but I don't know why you bring this up

7thKeeper · May 14, 2024

perplexed said:
Obviously but I don't know why you bring this up

Because that's the only relevant thing regarding that statement.

perplexed · May 14, 2024

Pommer said:
“The same thing” being paying off their lawyer for an illegal campaign contribution while mislabeling this repayment as “legal fees”. The only reason the repayment was necessary was so that the story of how Ms Clinton (or Mister Biden) had had consensual sex with someone in the adult—entertainment industry, didn’t leak to the press.

Yeah, once is enough.

I don't think Hilary has a thing for porn stars but Hypothetically if she had a fixer that paid someone to catch and kill a story and hid the payment as income Alvin Bragg would not have prosecuted her.

Apparently I have to make the obvious statement "in New York" to prevent my comment from being irrelevant
so lets assume that for Hypothetical purposes

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