Romans 9 Unmaligned

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
We were all bound up by the sin of unbelief, per scripture.

Until we are born again by the sovereign regeneration of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

Grip Docility said:
The same mechanism that Saves sinners was applied to the Reprobate (Christ Rejecters) and the Saints (Christ Acceptors).

The word of Jesus Christ, God the Son, in Jn 3:18 is unsurmountable for your view:
"he who does not believe in me is condemned already."

All Scripture must be understood in that light.

Will you honestly deal with it?

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
The word of Jesus Christ , God the Son, in Jn 3:18 is unsurmountable for your view:
"he who does not believe in me is condemned already."

All Scripture must be understood in that light.

Will you honestly deal with it?

One could by missing the ease of the text by ignoring that we have Self Sovereignty given as a blessing by God.

Does not believe is an Active statement. It takes Active Autonomous will to NOT Believe. The Son, IS the Drawing of the Father unto All men. Through the Son, the Father Draws All men. This is to literally say, that Jesus Christ's work is available, through the knowledge of Jesus Christ's Revealed Gospels, to All men. The next question is... Will they Accept Him?

There is no God installed (Can Believe) (Can't Believe) switch installed into humanity. That is a misnomer. God flipped the switch at Golgotha.

I Honestly understand that all scripture is specific. I know how to understand this by the Message of Jesus Christ through all scripture, and more specifically, through Paul.

IMO

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
Until we are born again by the sovereign regeneration of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

The word of Jesus Christ, God the Son, in Jn 3:18 is unsurmountable for your view:
"he who does not believe in me is condemned already."

All Scripture must be understood in that light.

Will you honestly deal with it?

Does this help?

Colossians 1:15 Link to 1:15 Cross Refed to show intent.

He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn over all creation.[i]

John 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

First Born per biblical Concordance: 4416 prōtótokos (from 4413 /prṓtos, "first, pre-eminent" and 5088 /tíktō, "bring forth") – properly, first in time (Mt 1:25; Lk 2:7); hence, pre-eminent (Col 1:15; Rev 1:5).

16 For everything was created by Him,

Okay... so Jesus, who is the very "image", "Presence" of God. Jesus whom is God the Son... is the Creator. Does scripture agree?

Romans 11:36 For from Him and through Him

and to Him are all things.

To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

But... Jesus is the creator? Philippians 2:9

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

in heaven and on earth,
the visible and the invisible,
whether thrones or dominions
or rulers or authorities—
all things have been created through Him and for Him.

There's that Creator thing, again. So the word All, refers to ALL that exists that our TriUne God has Created. That's everything. No exceptions.

17 He is before all things,
and by Him all things hold together.

This is God, our Lord God.

18 He is also the head of the body, the church;

Trinity verbiage. The Father is the "Head" of the Son, aka Jesus Christ has His Father as His Head. We the Body have The Son, as our Head

He is the beginning,
the firstborn from the dead,

He is the first to show that death has zero captivity over the Body of Christ.

so that He might come to have
first place in everything.

This is God we are talking about, after all

19 For God was pleased to have
all His fullness dwell in Him,

John 14:7 “If you know Me, you will also know[d] My Father. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

8 “Lord,” said Philip, “show us the Father, and that’s enough for us.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own. The Father who lives in Me does His works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. Otherwise, believe[e] because of the works themselves.

20 and through Him to reconcile
everything to Himself
by making peace
through the blood of His cross[j]—
whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Now, we finally se that the very things that God created are "all" (The Greek word is pas ) reconciled through Jesus Christ's blood.

Why is this a big deal?

2nd Corinthians 15:18-21

15 And He died for all so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the One who died for them and was raised.

16 From now on, then, we do not know[a] anyone in a purely human way.[b] Even if we have known[c] Christ in a purely human way,[d] yet now we no longer know[e] Him in this way. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things[f] have come. 18 Everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

Well, that sounds all well and grand, but some say that He didn't die with Salvic Love towards all. Okay, lets see why Colossians 1 is iron clad. Let's truncate it, now that we have evaluated it.

16 For everything was created by Him,
in heaven and on earth,
the visible and the invisible,
whether thrones or dominions
or rulers or authorities—
all things have been created through Him and for Him.
20 and through Him to reconcile
everything to Himself
by making peace
through the blood of His cross[j]—
whether things on earth or things in heaven.

What we see here are 3 red words. The Greek is Pas The word Pas is used to say the entirety of or a part of, by Greek lingual intention. This is why Pas theologians disagree with pas theologians over this matter to then say... Jesus didn't die Lovingly for all that have or ever will exist.

Here comes the magic of Colossians 1. We have the first PAS attached to the authority, sovereignty and creation of all things that Jesus is given authority over.
The second Pas denotes All of Creation, which as seen above, is literally ON EARTH, IN HEAVEN and just incase someone missed it... ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE. This isn't a standoff. Only one Being is left. God.

The last PAS specifies that those very PAS things are Re-established to Jesus Christ's authority through the Shedding of His BLOOD.

We now have an ironclad theological equation!

Christ's authority was Reconciled, Rectified, Re-Established, through the Shedding of His blood. This Places PAS direction in line in all 3 places with the Things that Christ has Authority over. This is to say that if one single piece of creation were to be declared not intended for that BLOOD, it wouldn't be under Christ's authority.

For the Logically Minded: A = Pas Authority, While S = The INTENDED Salvic Flow of Jesus Christ's Blood to PAS things.

A is = to S or A = S It's IRONCLAD.

I hope Pas of you Love this OP.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
One could by missing the ease of the text by ignoring that we have Self Sovereignty given as a blessing by God.

We've been over this.

Jesus' apostle, Paul, who received his teaching from Jesus Christ personally (Gal 1:11-12) reveals the contrary in Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
Does this help?

Setting Scripture against Scripture never helps.

You do not address Jn 3:18.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
We've been over this.

Jesus' apostle, Paul, who received his teaching from Jesus Christ personally (Gal 1:11-12) reveals the contrary in Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14.

Yes, we have indeed....

nter Genesis, Daniel and Colossians: In Genesis, God does far more than just provide Sovereignty. God BLESSES mankind with Sovereignty, which by the very Hebrew word used for "Dominion", is Sovereignty. Daniel Talks about Jesus Christ's Sovereignty that is established Post Ascension. This passage in Daniel Echo's Colossians 1 where it again, Denotes all authority to Christ post Ascension.

The Passage in Daniel affirms the legitimacy of the implication in Genesis... and Echo's the exact rhythm of Adam being the First, while Christ is the Second "Adam". The interlinking of Genesis 1 and Colossians 1 are Poetic by Hebrew nature. While Jesus is Given Heavenly and Earthly Sovereignty in Colossians, Adam and Even are BLESSED with Earthly Sovereignty in Genesis 1.

This is how this looks in the verses and in the Hebrew.

In Daniel the word for Dominion is the NOUN Sholtan (A Sultan), while in Genesis the word for Dominion is the Active VERB Radah (A Raja) to give Sultan (The Noun) ), BUT, Raja is a Verb, in this case which would indicate that (Sultan), was given, via the active Hebrew Verb (Raja.)

To respect ALL scripture... The passage indicates that Y-WH Barak (Blessed) them actively "Raja verb" which would then imply the Masculine Noun Sultin has been given as a gift to Adam and Eve. This matches the Biblical account that the First Adam was incapable of restoring Dominion. This then goes forward to show that Christ (The Second Adam) Could and Did Restore Sultan to God.

Daniel 7:14 (This Hebrew word is Sholtan) Noun

Daniel 7:14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign (Dominion is the render of Sovereign in the Hebrew interlinear, because it is again Sultan) power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion (Sultan) is an everlasting.

Genesis 1:28 (This Hebrew word is Radah) Verb

Genesis 1:28 says They were given Dominion over EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH.

Daniel 7:14
Hebrew word for Dominion

Genesis 1:28

sholtan: dominion
Original Word: שָׁלְטָן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: sholtan
Phonetic Spelling: (shol-tawn')
Definition: dominion

radah: reign
Original Word: רָדָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: radah
Phonetic Spelling: (raw-daw')
Definition: to have dominion, rule, dominate

Now, that we understand this reference... the defensive response could insinuate that Adam and Eve weren't given full Rule, Dominion, Domination, Sultan of themselves and the earth.... However, this would immediately defame the Supremacy of Christ, as the very rhetoric God used towards Adam and Eve in Genesis 1, in reference to Adam and Eve's Rule over the earth is identically echoed towards Jesus Christ, though towards Heaven and Earth as Creator is added in Reference to God the Son.

Genesis 1:27
27 So God created humankind in his own image;
in the image of God he created him:
male and female he created them.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed them: God said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air and every living creature that crawls on the earth.”

Colossians 1:5-6 This Good News 6 has made its presence felt among you, just as it is also being fruitful and multiplying[a] throughout the world
Colossians 1:10 being fruitful in every good work and multiplying in the full knowledge of God.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn over all creation.[i]
16 For everything was created by Him,
in heaven and on earth,
the visible and the invisible,
whether thrones or dominions
or rulers or authorities—
all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
Yes, we have indeed....

nter Genesis, Daniel and Colossians: In Genesis, God does far more than just provide Sovereignty. God BLESSES mankind with Sovereignty, which by the very Hebrew word used for "Dominion", is Sovereignty. Daniel Talks about Jesus Christ's Sovereignty that is established Post Ascension. This passage in Daniel Echo's Colossians 1 where it again, Denotes all authority to Christ post Ascension.
The Passage in Daniel affirms the legitimacy of the implication in Genesis... and Echo's the exact rhythm of Adam being the First, while Christ is the Second "Adam". The interlinking of Genesis 1 and Colossians 1 are Poetic by Hebrew nature. While Jesus is Given Heavenly and Earthly Sovereignty in Colossians, Adam and Even are BLESSED with Earthly Sovereignty in Genesis 1.
This is how this looks in the verses and in the Hebrew.
Daniel 7:14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign (Dominion is the render of Sovereign in the Hebrew interlinear, because it is again Sultan) power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion (Sultan) is an everlasting.
Genesis 1:28 says They were given Dominion over EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH.

Daniel 7:14
Hebrew word for Dominion Genesis 1:28

sholtan: dominion
Original Word: שָׁלְטָן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: sholtan
Phonetic Spelling: (shol-tawn')
Definition: dominion radah: reign
Original Word: רָדָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: radah
Phonetic Spelling: (raw-daw')
Definition: to have dominion, rule, dominate

Now, that we understand this reference... the defensive response could insinuate that Adam and Eve weren't given full Rule, Dominion, Domination, Sultan of themselves and the earth.... However, this would immediately defame the Supremacy of Christ, as the very rhetoric God used towards Adam and Eve in Genesis 1, in reference to Adam and Eve's Rule over the earth is identically echoed towards Jesus Christ, though towards Heaven and Earth as Creator is added in Reference to God the Son.

Genesis 1:27
27 So God created humankind in his own image;
in the image of God he created him:
male and female he created them.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed them: God said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air and every living creature that crawls on the earth.” Colossians 1:5-6 This Good News 6 has made its presence felt among you, just as it is also being fruitful and multiplying[a] throughout the world
Colossians 1:10 being fruitful in every good work and multiplying in the full knowledge of God.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn over all creation.[i]
16 For everything was created by Him,
in heaven and on earth,
the visible and the invisible,
whether thrones or dominions
or rulers or authorities—
all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Does not address Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
Setting Scripture against Scripture never helps.

You do not address Jn 3:18.

The scripture you are asserting has single context. I have demonstrated a 5 verse citation of scripture which is Post Ascension, and Revealed to Paul by the very Jesus Christ that said that. Scripture is not against scripture.

Had the Gospel been revealed from Heavenly dwelling Jesus, to Paul, at the time of that quote from Jesus which reveals the Context of Jesus' every word? You stated that you were Pauline. I'm just ensuring that I understood you correctly.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
Does not address Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14.

Correct, It addresses Creation, which explains what Mechanisms were installed, Per God, into Creation. In this discussion, Genesis is King.

IMO

Ezekiel 33:11, binds to 2 Peter 3:9 Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
Does not address Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14.

OH! I See! It helps if you Cross Reference those verses! I had assumed that you were doing this! I apologize. Here... I will link those sole verses to there corresponding biblical cross references for you! I apologize! I do it so often it all just pops into my mind, most of the time.

Romans 8:4 These are all linked to cross ref. It helps to start at 8:4. Watch how Paul parallels with Galatians, through this.
Romans 8:5
Romans 8:6
Romans 8:7
Romans 8:8 There, by these links you can now forensically study the scripture through cross ref. I do this when exegeting, frequently.

1 Cor 2:13
1Cor 2:14
1 Cor 2:15 There is no installed (Off)(On) Switch within "Two Groups", One Pre destined to Heaven and One to Hell. It takes Self Sovereign repentance (Change of mind) from the me that doesn't desire Jesus, to Jesus. I have to look to the bronze Pole. John the Baptist came first (Change you Mind, Repent)... Then Jesus. Context can be hard to get with less than 5 versus and without cross referencing.

Jesus made God accessible to All of creation. Jesus tore down the curtain to the most Holy of Holies. It didn't say, only the Saints are allowed.

Jesus died for us While we were yet sinners. The Sin Jesus charged was Unbelief. This simplifies things, I hope.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
The scripture you are asserting has single context.

Strawman. . .

There are a lot of those showing up.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
OH! I See! It helps if you Cross Reference those verses!

You do not address the Scriptures themselves which I present.

Perhaps we should not go any further until you address Jn 3:18, Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14, individually.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
You do not address the Scriptures themselves which I present.

Perhaps we should not go any further until you address Jn 3:18, Ro 8:7-8, 1 Co 2:14, individually.

I did. I answered with Scriptural cross reference. More scripture, less me. Each verse links to cross reference so you can see for yourself. Just hover over it and click it. That way, you will see scripture addressing scripture. If on a laptop, it helps to right click into a new tab. If on phone... it's a pain.

Grip Docility said:
OH! I See! It helps if you Cross Reference those verses! I had assumed that you were doing this! I apologize. Here... I will link those sole verses to there corresponding biblical cross references for you! I apologize! I do it so often it all just pops into my mind, most of the time.

Romans 8:4 These are all linked to cross ref. It helps to start at 8:4. Watch how Paul parallels with Galatians, through this.
Romans 8:5
Romans 8:6
Romans 8:7
Romans 8:8 There, by these links you can now forensically study the scripture through cross ref. I do this when exegeting, frequently.

1 Cor 2:13
1Cor 2:14
1 Cor 2:15 There is no installed (Off)(On) Switch within "Two Groups", One Pre destined to Heaven and One to Hell. It takes Self Sovereign repentance (Change of mind) from the me that doesn't desire Jesus, to Jesus. I have to look to the bronze Pole. John the Baptist came first (Change you Mind, Repent)... Then Jesus. Context can be hard to get with less than 5 versus and without cross referencing.

Jesus made God accessible to All of creation. Jesus tore down the curtain to the most Holy of Holies. It didn't say, only the Saints are allowed.

Jesus died for us While we were yet sinners. The Sin Jesus charged was Unbelief. This simplifies things, I hope.

I hope this assists.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
Strawman. . .

There are a lot of those showing up.

Which is why I posted the ironclad Colossians 1:15-20.... Link to the exposition.... and exegesis

Remember... In Colossians 1:15-20 Paul is now having Jesus Christ pour the Post Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension Gospel through Paul, which should clear up the matter.

I hope this is received well. I also recommend cross referencing versus 15-20 as it really helps clear up their full biblical intention with all scripture, which is what I did as I exegeted.

Would it be helpful if I posted each verse of 15 - 20 in a way that linked them to Cross Ref? It's quite brutal in amount of content, so I'm not going to try to post the raw Cross ref.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
Which is why I posted the ironclad Colossians 1:15-20.... Link to the exposition.... and exegesis

Which in no way contradicts Jn 3:18.

Grip Docility said:
Remember... In Colossians 1:15-20 Paul is now having Jesus Christ pour the Post Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension Gospel through Paul, which should clear up the matter.

I hope this is received well. I also recommend cross referencing versus 15-20 as it really helps clear up their full biblical intention with all scripture, which is what I did as I exegeted.

Would it be helpful if I posted each verse of 15 - 20 in a way that linked them to Cross Ref?

No more than it would be helpful to post Scriptures cross referencing the manhood of Jesus which really helps clear up their full biblical intention with all Scripture that he is not God. . .as the Jews did in Jesus' day.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
I did. I answered with Scriptural cross reference. More scripture, less me. Each verse links to cross reference so you can see for yourself. Just hover over it and click it. That way, you will see scripture addressing scripture. If on a laptop, it helps to right click into a new tab. If on phone... it's a pain.

That assumes two things:
1) those Scriptures mean what you allege they mean, with which I do not agree,
2) God contradicts himself in his own word (revelation).

Not in my Bible.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
Which in no way contradicts Jn 3:18.

No more than it would be helpful to post Scriptures cross referencing the manhood of Jesus which really helps clear up their full biblical intention with all Scripture that he is not God. . .as the Jews did in Jesus' day.

The issue isn't John 3:18... The issues is using it by itself

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.[h]

Here, Jesus is beginning to speak prophetically and making Himself the subject.

14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in Him will[i] have eternal life.

Here we have Jesus imply the verb Look and the preposition upon, by citing Moses (The Torah). Bold Faith is the act of "Looking Upon" in this metaphor.

Context: Numbers 21:8-9 And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.

16 “For God loved the world in this way:[j] He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18 Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the One and Only Son of God.

Why does Jesus say this? Context:

Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus, who is a Pharisee.

Tradition of the church says: "For example, some traditions relate that he was ostracized by the Pharisees for his Christian sympathies. They also hold that he lived the remainder of his life in the home of Gamaliel, another member of the Sanhedrin who otherwise remained in good standing among the Pharisees (Acts of the Apostles 5:34–39)."

However... we really don't know. We do know that those who saw Jesus, like the ACTUAL Pharisees that Rejected Him... in His day, indeed were already "Condemned". 3:16 Offers Salvation to Kosmon (Kosmos) (The All of Alls), then says Whosoever (the Active Verb) Believes... (Disputed by Reform to mean All, but accepted to mean the full Measure of All, by stringent biblical scholars)... Which is to go back to Actively Look upon..... Then immediately goes to Present tense: Sent His son into the world.... which follows that Jesus is saying in 18... People like the Matthew 23 gang are already condemned, because He was and is and always has been GOD, yet now He has been born of a virgin.. and in person, at that time. 18 is bound to time. Those alive in His time that Didn't believe like the Matt 23 gang, are indeed already condemned.

This is why there is zero conflict between John 18 and Colossians 1:15-20. It is the removal of 18 from it's intended usage that would make it difficult to use correctly.

19 “This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it,[k] so that his deeds may not be exposed. 21 But anyone who lives by[l] the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be shown to be accomplished by God.”[m]

And... the rest of the main idea is now revealed.

Anyone is used in 20, which is a bookend to 18.... which is proceeded by 16. which is "TIS" in Greek which means Usage: any one, some one, a certain one or thing., and similar to PAS it could be reinterpreted.... Except.... the addition of the Active availability of the Bronze Serpent to be looked upon by any and all of the group discussed.... restores Whosoever (Whoever) PAS.... to it's full maximum intent... which is exactly how the most stringent biblical scholars translate it. This is why it is always used in it's Whoever instead of "Some" intended usage or a part of a group, usage.

Context was the culprit.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
That assumes two things:
1) those Scriptures mean what you allege they mean, with which I do not agree,
2) God contradicts himself in his own word (revelation).

Not in my Bible.

Fortunately, the context saves the day. I exegeted. Sorry it took so long.

Grip Docility · May 13, 2024

Clare73 said:
It matters not where nor with what you use it, its grammatically unequivocal meaning does not change.

There is an old Theological Joke about using verses by themselves, unless they are forensically unique, which John 3:18 is not and within context is easily discernable. I do not know if we can discuss things longer, as I may have made a powerful enemy in debate, but in another way. But, I am tied in answer because of these matters. It involves Taking a verse about Judas and some words by Jesus, then binding the 2 verses together. The implications are bad.

John 3:18 is not a stand alone verse, because it has the tense of time attached to it.

Clare73 · May 13, 2024

Grip Docility said:
The issue isn't John 3:18... The issues is using it by itself

Anything with which you use Jn 3:18 must be in agreement with it.

Grip Docility said:
Here, Jesus is beginning to speak prophetically and making Himself the subject.
Here we have Jesus imply the verb Look and the preposition upon, by citing Moses (The Torah). Bold Faith is the act of "Looking Upon" in this metaphor.

Here we have Jesus presenting the snake on the pole as figurative of salvation from eternal death by NT faith in his work on the cross.

Grip Docility said:
Context: Numbers 21:8-9 And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
Why does Jesus say this? Context:
Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus, who is a Pharisee.Tradition of the church says: "For example, some traditions relate that he was ostracized by the Pharisees for his Christian sympathies. They also hold that he lived the remainder of his life in the home of Gamaliel, another member of the Sanhedrin who otherwise remained in good standing among the Pharisees (Acts of the Apostles 5:34–39)."

However... we really don't know. We do know that those who saw Jesus, like the ACTUAL Pharisees that Rejected Him... in His day, indeed were already "Condemned". 3:16 Offers Salvation to Kosmon (Kosmos) (The All of Alls, then adds the Active Verb to Whosoever Believes... (Disputed by Reform to mean All, but accepted to mean the full Measure of All, by stringent biblical scholars)... Which is to go back to Actively Look upon..... Then immediately goes to Present tense: Sent His son into the world.... which follows that Jesus is saying in 18... People like the Matthew 23 gang are already condemned, because He was and is and always has been GOD, yet now He has born of a virgin.

The condemnation of unbelief is not limited to the Pharisees of Jesus' time.

"Without faith it is impossible to please God." (Heb 11:7, Ro 8:8, 14:23)--that includes trusting in his Son for salvation in the NT.
In the NT we are saved from condemnation by faith only (Eph 2:8-9, Jn 3:18).

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